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Who Dey Revolution Manifesto

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    IN THIS TIME of perpetual Cincinnati Bengals incompetence and futility, with zero playoff wins in the nineteen seasons since the WhoDeyRevolution Godfather, Paul Brown, passed away in 1991 and handed the team to his fortunate son, the Despot, Mike Brown;

    Introduction

    WE, the members of the Who Dey Revolution, in our fervent dedication to the Cincinnati Bengals and fanatical desire to transform our hometown team into perpetual Super Bowl contenders, call for a popular revolution of fans to demand comprehensive reform to the managerial decisions and approach of Cincinnati Bengals ownership, management, staff and players, and hereby call for the adoption of the following Who Dey Revolution Manifesto:

    Manifesto Demands

    THAT the Mike Brown, Katie Blackburn, Marvin Lewis, along with every other member of the Bengals management, staff and personnel, state publicly to all Bengals fans, “I will do everything in my power to help the Cincinnati Bengals win a Super Bowl;”

    THAT Mike Brown will hire a general manager, drastically expand the scouting department and relinquish all control of player personnel;

    THAT all training, rehabilitation and medical facilities are considered best-in-class compared to other NFL teams;

    THAT the management fill the team only with players who fit the system, both mentally and physically, and are not reluctant to makes changes to player personnel when needed, regardless of cost or loyalty concerns;

    THAT offensive and defensive line depth is considered the top priority for all player personnel decisions;

    THAT all decisions made by ownership, management, staff and players, both on and off the field, are judged only by this criterion: “Does this help the Cincinnati Bengals win a Super Bowl?”

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Pathetic.

Yeah, keep us looking even more bootleg by not going to games and supporting our best team in years. What a piss-poor fanbase.

Haven't checked the site since mid October. Hoped everyone had a great thanksgiving. Being a raider fan is very frustrating. I should have done my homework and discovered that the defensive coordinator is Chuck friggin Bresnahan.

Which means every blitz is picked up and the Raiders give up explosive plays. Translation: no lead is safe.

However I will give you two positives about being a Raider fan.

1. The head coach doesn't say or plan stupid things like "we are going to run the ball even though our best chance to win is to go behind the stud quarterback"

Jesus I never understood trying to minor Carson's impact by running the ball. I've watched him go no huddle, quick tempo,(like 05') and he hasn't lost anything. Bratkowski. It's like a dirty word.

2. Special teams don't fail here. Lecher kicked a 80 yard punt that had Devon Hester sprinting backwards.......... and he still couldn't get it. Janikowski was 6-6 on field goals. No more Shane Graham, Brad St. Louis kind of bull stuff.

It's eerily familiar but so far, more winning than losing.

I'm impressed with Marvin's Bengals. I'm not sure about playoffs this year. It would be interesting if things hold up and the bengals get the wild card out here in Oakland.

Regardless of their record, this season is flukey due to the lockout. I'll believe things have changed in Cincy after next years draft. They could build a dynasty or do what they usually do.

Anyhow, best of luck. Who dey!

@Wyatt,

Still think the Bills are better than the Jets? As I said earlier, the Jets are the better team, and that's who we'll be competing with for the last spot. They've got an easier schedule than us, so we'll need to beat the Cards and Rams, and take at least one, preferably two, of the other three.

@Hiro, you don't to grasp the nuance of this site's fandom, so maybe just look elsewhere. The people who do what every other "fan" does, and buy tickets/jerseys/etc... aren't supporting the team, they're supporting Mike Brown. The real fans are people who withhold their support in order to facilitate fundamental changes to the organization that will lead to sustained and lasting success (see Steelers, Patriots), rather than flash-in-the-pan (see '05, '09 Bengals) seasons. It's sort of like in the initial stages of the Iraq war when some people said the WMD evidence was flimsy, we had no exit strategy, and it was an unwinnable war, and people like you accused them of being unpatriotic and not supporting the troops. In actuality, it was the critics who knew what they were talking about who were the real supporters.

Speaking of the Jets, if we don't take one from either Baltimore or Pittsburgh, but win the rest, I'd say we'll both end up at 10-6, so the tie-break will decide. It'll be a question of which game the Jets lose to wind up at 10-6. There are two games left that they could lose. One is to the Giants, which isn't important for tie-breaking purposes, though another loss for them makes every other game a must-win. On the other hand, even if they beat the Giants, their other tough game is @Miami on the last Sunday. If they lose that one, even if they win the rest, we can lose two and still beat them in the tie-break (conf. record). So, assuming the Jets lose @ Miami, we can still lose to both Pittsburgh and Baltimore and still beat the Jets.
Of course, the Titans and Broncos are there too, though I think those teams still have at least two losses left. The Jets are the team I'm worried about for now.

As of now I'd say the Bengals are headed for 9-7, the way they played yesterday, eeking out a win at home against a pretty poor Browns squad. According to Marvin, this team has made all 11 games go down to the last drive (I guess including their wins). But teams that can actually win a playoff game usually have a few blowouts under their belt.

@Dan R: No way the Jets lose at Miami if a playoff berth is on the line. I can see them losing to the Giants, maybe.

Anyway if the Bengals end up losing all four to the Steelers and Ravens, does it really matter if they make the playoffs in 2011? Is one and done helpful? Next year's schedule won't be so charitable, so they will have to really find some gems in the draft if they want to maintain middle-of-the-pack status from this year.

All the Koolaid drinkers of 2011: Look at how much of this team is heading into free agency (1/3 of all of yesterday's starters, plus 3 of the 4 backup defensive linemen). Who here is willing to go on record as predicting that free agency 2012 will *not* be chock full of losses for the Bengals that they will have to blow most of their draft picks just filling the holes from what they lose? Raise your hands now, get in there early so we can laugh about it later.

Considering the attitude of most of the people on this team, I'll raise my hand. Of course, everyone wants to get paid. That said, the attitude exuded by players this year is one of confidence and unity, like they want to be a part of something, and there's no indication they think they can't aren't on a winning team now. It's nothing like the last 3-4 years where good players (Carson, Chad, JJ, etc...) couldn't wait to get out of town.

In other words, prior to this year, if the Bengals matched another team's offer, that player would generally go to the other team. Now, all things being equal, I get the sense that most guys would prefer to stay here. With the talented young nucleus, and stockpile of draft picks, there's no reason to think this is a sinking ship that they need to jump from. All that said, Mike Brown lurks...

@#TrollNotOccupy: They won the first game in Cleveland that way, as well, and seemed to do pretty well afterwards. And, as I mentioned before, yes, there are a lot of players coming into free agency, and the free agency period will be a telling one for whether or not this season was another fluke like 2005 and 2009 or the start of real change within the organization. I'll go on record as saying that they won't be losing players in the upcoming free agency period like they did Jonathan Joseph and Evan Mathis in the last one, who left simply because they didn't want to be in Cincinnati anymore. And they'll probably also re-sign some players that they shouldn't (isn't Nate Livings going to be a free agent), but I don't foresee it being a fire sale, as you apparently do.

@Dan R.: Mea culpa. I think working with diehard Bills fans (plus Sanchez being a shitty, shitty quarterback 99% of the time) colored my perception of the also-rans in the AFC East. But I can admit that I was wrong, and I certainly was. Still don't think the Jets make the playoffs, though.

It won't be a fire sale this off season. It's more the case that they'll sign the wrong guys to the wrong deals. Like paying Willie A, Levi J, and Rudy J after 2005 when many discerning fans said to invest in Steinbach and J Smith because of age/abuse taken.

Yeah they'll probably lock up Nate Livings.

Paying Willie Anderson? They never should have let him leave, he should have retired a Bengal. Lone star during a dark era, only jersey I'll wear today. The way Willie left was a microcosm of Mikey's idiocy, here's a guy who gave his entire career, and who would have been Walter Jones if he played anywhere else in the league, but no, let him leave and play for a division rival. Sorry, really silly to argue over but that pissed me off to no end.

To the post itself - the fact that the blackouts remain should be an indicator that, en mass, greater Bengaldom hasn't been moved back to center. As this site has pointed out, time and time again, 'hope' has historically been our watch word in the Queen City, but notably, we aren't going to pay for it as a mode of entertainment at the moment. That's an important difference from years past; fan's are still hopeful (and perhaps even optimistic right now), but certainly they are not convinced. Once biten, twice shy...

What convincing the fan base is going to take will require three things, one has already been mentioned. The first is how we sew up our free agents after the season. One thing that should be noted is how much cap space has opened up now that Carson's monster contract is gone. Another thing that is good for the players is the new CBA forces MFB to spend the money on the players. I'm not saying the situation is fool proof or can't be Mikey'd, but I am saying that it won't be the fire storm #DNOPBS is insinuating. I would be interested to see the full list of free agents... In the meantime, I'll make two predictions: Keith Rivers will be released, which is too bad from a draft stand point only. It won't have to do with money or negotating; Rivers has been wanting out of Cincinnati for the past two seasons. For the most part, I'm good with that because he is still living off a fat contract and has been a non-factor since 2009, which works against what this team seems to be cultivating as a locker room culture. The other - We will resign Livings…which is probably good, because he has been playing better with marginally better blocking and a lot less penalties (I think I just threw up a little in my mouth for admitting that). That and he won't take up that much cap space anyway.

The second key to winning the fan base back will be how we spend the draft picks. If things keep going the way they have been, then that shows that Marvin, Jay, Zim (and hypothetically Katie) are at the helm. If they get stupid on draft day, and take the best available, then I'm back on the tailgating only bandwagon. If the front office does their job, and there is no fire storm, then this draft should not only be relatively easy to get what we need, but also loaded with opportunities for overall roster enhancement. ...more to follow at draft time...

Third (and frankly icing on the cake) would be an indoor practice facility. No matter what it manifests as, the fan base needs to see the front office invest in the physical infrastructure of this team. Personally, I'm not convinced that this isn't Mikey's last shot at tilling the Cincinnati soil before his lease is up in 2017 or whenever it is. I'm terrified that if the clock strikes midnight, and the fan base is still unconvinced (i.e. not literally buying what he's selling) then this orange cat turns into a pumpkin up and moves to LA. Fiscal re-investment of the team into the city would do a lot to alleviate that 300-pound tiger in the room. ...but admittedly, that's not the immediate concern, and like I said, its icing right now.

Bottom line: if The Bengals do the first two points, and jump out to a 4-0 or 3-1 start next year, then (and only then) will you see the fan base turn around.

A thought that I had - how much of the blackout effect can be directly attributed to the current shape of the economy? By that I mean, if the economy were to miraculously recover in the next month, would the last couple Bengals home games be sold out? I don't live in the Queen City and I'm not up-to-speed on Cincinnati's unemployment rates or median income or any of that, but one would think it would have to be a contributing factor, right?

@ guttersnake: I need to see a Lot more evidence about the draft to be convinced anybody in Bengaldom suddenly got a clue. They need to hire some scouts, too.

It's especially tough for me to jump to they've suddenly figured out drafting based on 11 games of Dalton and Green when in the very same post you're predicting they'll outright release their overpaid first round linebacker Keith Rivers, aka the latest Huge Bust.

Even from this year we've not seen Moch or Sands and Boling was overmatched so far and might be another case of watching too many Bulldogs games by their one scout who does that. It's not like they can afford for Moch to not pan out they could use him.

#DNOPBS if you think this draft has been the only successful draft for the Bengals you should go back and look at the past few drafts.

2010 Draft

Jermaine Gresham
Carlos Dunlap
Jordan Shipley
Brandon Ghee
Geno Atkins
Roddrick Muckelroy


2009 Draft

Andre Smith
Rey Maualuga
Michael Johnson
Kevin Huber
Morgan Trent
Bernard Scott


2008 Draft

Keith Rivers
Jerome Simpson
Pat Sims
Andre Caldwell
Anthony Collins


2007 Draft

Leon Hall

2006 Draft

Johnathan Joseph
Andrew Whitworth
Frostee Rucker
Domata Peko


Thats some good success I think in recent drafts. Show me where other teams drafts over the same period have been so much more outstanding.

@ WhoDeyFans - thanks. Saved me a bit of work there. I was just about to write the same thing before I scrolled down.

@ #DNOPBS - Boling played in the first four games, which were his first four games without much of a pre-season. I think he did pretty well considering he looks like he still can't grow facial hair. He's a 22 year old, 310 lb monster with a lot of upside. Give him a minute... look for him to share time with Bobbie Williams who will turn 36 this year. Also, Boling's playing time is normal for a rookie lineman. Williams didn't play a full game for his first two years, Kyle Cook only played five as a rookie, so did Andre Smith. Nate Livings didn't play his rookie year and only six games his second year. So chill on that scouting call.

Moch hasn't played because as a LB, he hasn't had too. We are deeper at LB than any other position. I still expect great things from him. Same is true for Sands. Even though Safety is a concern, we have five others on the roster with Taylor Mays looking (to me) like the incumbent.

J.Joe and Rivers were Bunglized. 2 losses out of the last 20-25 solids in the past five years. I think Norv Turner would take those stats right about now... just saying...

Now, I'm not pleading a case that more scouts would be a waste of time - I'm not. I'm only pointing out that we started a trend that seems to continue. It has been rumored that the 2007 Draft was heavily influenced by MFB. It has been proven that Dalton was Gruden and Marvin's brain child. MFB wanted Ryan Mallet. A draft failure shows a lapse in Lewis's influence. That's all I'm saying.

@Competitiveness, just to be clear, MFB does not own the stadium and never will. It is the Tax Payers stadium. They have played a weak schedule, I see a 2006 season upon us. @hiro, go away! go find a board like gobengals or cincy.com to share your kool aid! They would love to have you. Like someone said, they will lose their FAs and then they will lose Zimmer and Gruden and then back to the way it always has been since MFB has been in charge. Mark it down!

Quick side note: We are playing the Steelers again. I think we have a better chance this time. Can someone please post a pre-game write up on this. For the love of God, plleeeease.

One of the writers on my site does a really good pregame write up with a ton of analysis that will be up later in the week. But, if you want to do a little laughing at the Steelers expense, check out our caption contest during Steelers week:


http://whodeyfans.com/2011/11/13/caption-contest-for-a-copy-of-madden-2012/

lol at the SHEEP. how was that better chance, guttersnake? Typical MFB SHEEP! This site is pitiful now and always has been for a very long time. You actually think the Bengals are going to the playoffs? ha ha ha Enjoy the CIRCUS!

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