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    IN THIS TIME of perpetual Cincinnati Bengals incompetence and futility, with zero playoff wins in the nineteen seasons since the WhoDeyRevolution Godfather, Paul Brown, passed away in 1991 and handed the team to his fortunate son, the Despot, Mike Brown;


    WE, the members of the Who Dey Revolution, in our fervent dedication to the Cincinnati Bengals and fanatical desire to transform our hometown team into perpetual Super Bowl contenders, call for a popular revolution of fans to demand comprehensive reform to the managerial decisions and approach of Cincinnati Bengals ownership, management, staff and players, and hereby call for the adoption of the following Who Dey Revolution Manifesto:

    Manifesto Demands

    THAT the Mike Brown, Katie Blackburn, Marvin Lewis, along with every other member of the Bengals management, staff and personnel, state publicly to all Bengals fans, “I will do everything in my power to help the Cincinnati Bengals win a Super Bowl;”

    THAT Mike Brown will hire a general manager, drastically expand the scouting department and relinquish all control of player personnel;

    THAT all training, rehabilitation and medical facilities are considered best-in-class compared to other NFL teams;

    THAT the management fill the team only with players who fit the system, both mentally and physically, and are not reluctant to makes changes to player personnel when needed, regardless of cost or loyalty concerns;

    THAT offensive and defensive line depth is considered the top priority for all player personnel decisions;

    THAT all decisions made by ownership, management, staff and players, both on and off the field, are judged only by this criterion: “Does this help the Cincinnati Bengals win a Super Bowl?”

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October 26, 2011


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Well put, good sir. Viva la Revolution!

I agree with every word you say sir.


The key point is: Palmer was willing to give up millions to flee this sorry franchise that does not do enough to win. With their one scout they're likely to have a draft day bust like so many before. Eventually Dalton might feel the same as Palmer but maybe he'll just take his money like so many Bengalized before him. Nothing has changed! This is a blind squirrel and a red headed acorn.

p.s. after six games Rick Miter looked good too. So crowning Dalton as anything but a rook having a nice start seems premature. Let's see how he plays in Pittsburgh.

I'll give MB a little more credit than you on the Dalton draft. It would have been "active" and more than merely hoping to make a trade and move up, but it also would have been wasteful. Whoever decided Dalton would fall to us and made the decision not to trade up made the correct decision and deserves kudos. That said, for all we know it was partially, significantly or completely Marvin's decision, so for that reason - and not because of some failure to make an unnecessary trade - I'll withhold praise on the draft of Dalton.

On Carson's trade though, you are completely and 100% correct. This is nothing more than a fine example of a blind squirrel finding a nut, and people like Peter King who are showing praise on MB can just stop it. A competent executive who cares first and foremost about his team winning, rather than profit and pride, would have shopped Carson around and made a deal as soon as it was apparent he was never going to play another down for us. That we ended up getting a sweetheart deal is nothing more than luck. If Campbell doesn't break his collarbone, Carson sits out the whole year and the question marks around his eroding skill-level and unknown conditioning would have grown exponentially by draft time next year. We would have been lucky to get a third rounder for him at that point.

I agree with all of you for the most part. I do give Brown some credit for exploiting opportunity that presented itself to him. I also think that if Palmer were honest with himself about his own role in all of this, the outcome might have been different. If he sucks in Oakland, he will have some painful soul searching to do. Or he becomes a more articulate, reserved version of T.O.

But I digest. In my mind, the real question is what does the organization learn from all of this? How do they keep AJ Green or Dalton or Malaluga or whomever establishes themselves as the franchise player from demanding to go somewhere else 4 years from now? I don't think ownership is interested in either that question or that answer, so it will definitely happen again.

I also think we all know how dumb luck and a weak schedule distorts reality, so the pressure is on to actually get better for real.


"Digress." You digress.

Dan, you unwhittingly aided my digression.....
An old Ali G gag.


"Unwittingly". He unwittingly aided your digression.....

Wow. You guys are rough today.

I just wanted to get in on the fun.

Melvin needs to learn to shut his mouth....

You seen this:

What a way to treat a war vet: "here you go buddy a Bengals ticket on the house!"

Oh man, I missed an Ali G reference? BOOYAKASHA!

Damn I feel old. Sorry Rich...

Boh! I've been watching porno since the age of 9, and i DON'T see me Julie complaining now... Swish, every time. Ha ha ha, I loved that show. As far as the credit for the trade goes, I do believe that Marv has gained a lot of draft day power, so the notion that Mike's hand was in the jar is at least possibly not the case. The waiting for the trade and how it went down and especially with whom it went down. Deal one can;'t refuse offered by a former employee reeks of Mike BRown. I bet if Jim Harbaugh made that offer, it would have been rejected outright or at least hesitated on.

My thoughts on the Palmer Trade are that we are since 5-2, and Yuengling is coming to Cincinnati (later on today),

Carson got what he wanted everyone's happy (even if only in a cautiously optimistic stupor)

No this isn't some great thing that Mike Brown 'achieved', but the stars and planets just seem to be in 'perfect alignment' (whatever that is)

It's pretty clear we're screwed in terms of getting anything long term accomplished.
The sheep will now start showing up to the games, all ready to kiss Mike Brown's behind. 20 years of getting slapped in the face and they're over it after a couple wins against mostly crappy teams.

Yuengling is coming to Cincinnati? Congratulations, you guys finally have a quality beer to drink.

If the Bengals win one more game ALL SEASON, they will have DOUBLED the win total I (foolishly now) predicted for them before the season began. And while I don't mind being proven wrong when it's something like this (hey, my team is actually *not* sucking for a change, what's not to be happy about?), they still haven't played a top-tier AFC team.

Thoughts on yesterday:

Tate: @ Guttersnake, I told you so. Nice return by Pacman too. I'm glad he *only* pulled a hammy. If I had to run at top speed after sitting out a year I would have pulled an every-muscle-in-my-body.

Bernard Scott: Good day. Best compliment I can give is he did a great job of holding on to the ball. He has such an erratic style I always expect it to pop out anyway, let alone when everyone is ripping at it the way the Seahawks were.

Reggie Nelson: Dumb personal foul. It would have never happened if he'd caught the ball that went through his hands and hit him in the chest a play earlier. He and Caldwell (who punched a guy and didn't get caught) should be benched for that kind of shit. I don't mind holding or offside and such - those are effort penalties. Those were just dumb plays.

Sucks the Ravens and Steelers won. Halfway through that AZ/Balt game I thought we'd be playing for a one-game division lead.

Great game for Adkins. Also, nice play by Clements breaking up the 2-point conversion.

Donald Lee did an awesome Jermaine Gresham impression. That TE screen was pretty; I had no idea he was that quick. And nice catch on the long seam in the third. Looked solid blocking too. Nice acquisition.

That was probably Dalton's best game. The first pick was underthrown, but not terribly so. The second was bad luck. The second TD (to Green) was a awesome throw.

That was probably our best win. The Buffalo game was a nice comeback against a good team. But yesterday was good offense, good defense, great special teams, for all four quarters. I was expecting a let-down given Marvin's record after byes and on the west coast. I'm finally ready to accept that this is a good team. Still not as good as our record indicates, but 9-7, or even 10-6 are starting to look like real possibilities. IF we sneak into the playoffs we'll get killed by the Jets or Steelers, but I'm starting to think that there's a chance we could sneak into the playoffs. Given what's left, a split against the Ravens and Steelers should do it. That's tough, but realistically possible.

Yes it's true Wyatt, today is the day, that Cincy gets Yuengling served in a downtown Cincy Bar I believe....the first, to serve it here in Cincy...

not sure, but Jungle Jim's

(crazy local vast world market store here that sells everything, ex. 10 kinds of squid, 20 kinds of rice, etc )

they might already carry it


The Party-Approved Beer has arrived!

@Dan R: The offense only played well in spurts. They were outgained.

Dan R.,

I like your analysis, save for one thing - "IF we sneak into the playoffs we'll get killed by the Jets or Steelers"...Jets aren't making the playoffs. You have to figure two teams from the North and two teams from the East, plus the division winners from the South and West. Jets are the third-best team in the East, and I don't see them beating NE or Buffalo to make the playoffs, as much as I love their chubby man-god of a head coach.

The Jets are better than Buffalo. Significantly better, I think. I guess we'll find out for sure next week. Regardless, you're right that the wildcards are coming from the north and east (Raiders and Titans seem a tier below), which means we only have to beat 2 out of the following five to get in: NE, Buf, NYJ, Pit, Bal. 10-6 should do that.

If we continue to beat teams we're supposed to beat (remember, we lost to Denver), then Cle, AZ, and StL are wins. If we can take one from either Hou or Ten, then we only need to take one out of four from Baltimore and Pittsburgh to get to 10. A split would be better, but surprising.

@Occupy: Yes, the offense did only play well in spurts, but there were a lot of spurts - plenty enough to win. They were outgained, but that just says our pass defense sucked (which it did). The offense was generally pretty good. As for our defense, as much as the secondary sucked, the front 4 were great again. Lots of QB pressure and stoned a decent running team.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here:

There's no metric that says the Jets are better than Buffalo - their offense is worse (Bills - 10th/3rd, Jets - 29th/11th ypg/ppg), their defense is worse (Bills - 26th/12th, Jets - 8th/14th ypg/ppg), their record is worse (5-2 Bills, 4-3 Jets), and they haven't played a significantly higher caliber of opponent than the Bills have. Even the one stat I noted where the Jets have a SIGNIFICANT advantage, yards allowed per game, hasn't translated into keeping their opponents off of the board. The Bills point differential is three times better than the Jets (+64 to +20), so tell me again - how are the Jets going to make the playoffs, as the Bills will have the easier schedule (based on their fourth place finish in the AFC East last year as opposed the Jets' second place finish). Oakland, with Carson Palmer learning the offense essentially on the fly, has a better chance of making the playoffs than the Jets, and you know why? Run DMC > Shonn Greene, which means Palmer doesn't have to outplay Mark Sanchez (even though he probably will).

The lesson in all this?

Shonn Greene sucks.

@ Dan R. Okay, you got me. Tate can still run for a touchdown. My point is still that Jones touched the ball once and looked like a god among men. I would have ripped something too if I had run that fast! All I'm saying is that Jones makes Tate look like a waste on special teams... if he can stay healthy, damnit!

Again, can someone tell me why oh why Taylor Mays isn't getting any play time!? In Zimmer we trust, but good lord, he can't be more of a liability than Nelson. That personal foul was awful and that interception, while a brillant return, could have been made by a defensive tackle... a really fast defensive tackle...

He's like the Anti-Chad.

@ Mockenrue... I saw that. ...and I thought the same thing!

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