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Who Dey Revolution Manifesto

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    IN THIS TIME of perpetual Cincinnati Bengals incompetence and futility, with zero playoff wins in the nineteen seasons since the WhoDeyRevolution Godfather, Paul Brown, passed away in 1991 and handed the team to his fortunate son, the Despot, Mike Brown;


    WE, the members of the Who Dey Revolution, in our fervent dedication to the Cincinnati Bengals and fanatical desire to transform our hometown team into perpetual Super Bowl contenders, call for a popular revolution of fans to demand comprehensive reform to the managerial decisions and approach of Cincinnati Bengals ownership, management, staff and players, and hereby call for the adoption of the following Who Dey Revolution Manifesto:

    Manifesto Demands

    THAT the Mike Brown, Katie Blackburn, Marvin Lewis, along with every other member of the Bengals management, staff and personnel, state publicly to all Bengals fans, “I will do everything in my power to help the Cincinnati Bengals win a Super Bowl;”

    THAT Mike Brown will hire a general manager, drastically expand the scouting department and relinquish all control of player personnel;

    THAT all training, rehabilitation and medical facilities are considered best-in-class compared to other NFL teams;

    THAT the management fill the team only with players who fit the system, both mentally and physically, and are not reluctant to makes changes to player personnel when needed, regardless of cost or loyalty concerns;

    THAT offensive and defensive line depth is considered the top priority for all player personnel decisions;

    THAT all decisions made by ownership, management, staff and players, both on and off the field, are judged only by this criterion: “Does this help the Cincinnati Bengals win a Super Bowl?”

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Who dey damnit indeed...

Ced Benson is useless even if Bernard Scott *isn't* all that.
Benson had one good fluke year.

“Whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent.”

Not the low point... ...that keeps on being brought about anew every frickin' year!

To think that the Bengals are going to run into dire financial straits because of blackouts? Are you 'stoopid'? Were you not paying attention in the last 20+ years?

Do you remember when they strung them together year to year? It didn't hurt them then, why should it hurt them now? Again, as I've told you, since the advent of revenue sharing, the Bengals could play all their home games to an empty stadium and Mike Brown would still be profitable. What the NFL needs is an addendum to the sharing that says that one only gets it if they are actually contributing. That isn't going to happen. Too much subjectivity and jealousy. I can see MMBB pitching a fit like a little bitch the moment that the NFL came after him (especially because they have to go after the oldest non-contributing team (the Bengals) and Mike would press a lawsuit against everything that the NFL needs to survive such as the Anti-Trust exemption that the NFL and their collective team receive. Let that cat out of the bag and the rank and file of each city is going to find where the bones are buried and they are going to go ballistic. Right now, in the days of 10 million dollar a year + contracts, people are already having fits for these atheletes. Just wait to find out the tax breaks, the help both formal and informal that the government gives the NFL but won't give to another 'Johnny come Lately...'

All this means is that the only 'leverage' that you could have with 'the Bengals' is by not voting them in a new stadium. And remember, stadiums seem to have a shelf life of around 30-36 years -- that means that it won't be too long before the Bengals are at it again. That means that soon you will have another chance to get rid of this cancer (don't screw it up this time by being selfish asses -- man up!) You have to get rid of the idea that you need a team. You don't, trust me. Many a place has borne that out. However, if you must, please, by all means, do what Cleveland did and force the NFL to give you another team or even a new franchise after a certain period of time. You CAN do that but beware that generally speaking, Cleveland got a more respectable owner than what they had in Modell. In Cincinnati, you probably won't be so lucky. Just be careful what you wish for.

Get rid of the team and lets see two early games, two late games, one Sunday Night game and one Monday night game -- instead of MMBB penalizing us and treating us like little bad children (I know, some actually are) and tell us (in effect) that since I can't get you to sell out my games, I will also keep you from the possibility to see two additional network games as your punishment. Fuck him.

Alas, the 'newsflash' is that BOTH Benson and Scott suck. We would have been much better with Joseph Addai -- or perhaps with a lump of wet cement? Trying to say that one is better than another is like trying to explain how Syphillis is 'better' than Chlamydia!. Here's another hint, Leonard isn't better. Yeah, he's playing a position that is DOMINATED by blacks and that makes him 'stand out'. However, he's not really that great of a player once you can convince yourself to get beyond that. Face it, there isn't a Cincinnati RB that's worth a shit right now. The last one that was... ...James Brooks. But he doesn't play anymore now does he?

I, for one, am NOT wanting a Bengal win. I want them to not win again -- ever. That's about the only thing that might put pressure on MMBB!

I would say that if anyone is going, go buy a 200 thread-count sheet and write on it: Hey MSM and NFL, remember that it was that dumbass Marv Levy who first used fake injuries to stop the no-huttle offense during the late eighties. The Bengals are so worthless, people don't even think about that.

The Bengals are 11th overall -- at what? Cocksucking? Mike Zimmer? I didn't beat a guy while he was down (with the sudden passing of his wife last year), but it is time for people to quit doing what they did when the Bengals went to the playoffs a few years back -- they automatically gave them credibility -- however, it was just a knee-jerk reaction. Same thing with Zimmer. If he's smart, he will do his level best to get the hell out of this 'armpit' and if it is by being a head coach, you will see him show his actual 'colors'. I will say though, I wouldn't be surprised if he is given an in-season head coaching job as MMBB knows that if he gets a good reputation -- whether he deserves it or NOT, he will start asking for more money and MMBB is not about doing something like that -- as we all know. MMBB could cut him loose and save money if such an offer were made -- something like Miami or Oakland etc., so MMBB WOULD be more than willing and grateful to do it if the situation presented itself.

ah wch... I would pay five dollars to go inside your head for two minutes... but no more than five dollars... and no more than two minutes.

To the topic of Benson, Scott & Leonard, which I meant to address last time this came up. Bottom-line is they are all 'potentially' awesome. Seriously. But let’s break down why this isn't happening for any of them in detail more complex than “they play for the Bengals”...

Benson. Set aside his off-the field crap (which I think is largely overplayed compared to guys like, I dunno; Simpson?), and consider this: he wants to be in Cincinnati. When you talk about The Cycle of Failure, gathering players who want to play "for" the team is how you start to break it. Second, Cedric is the only 'every down' running back. Moreso than the last two years in fact. I remember under Brat's run, run, throw, punt offense, Cedric would run hard the first run, and be still ringing on the second snap, reducing yardage. On less than 15% of second runs did Cedric gain more than the previous run. This year, you're not seeing that... you're also not seeing a lot of back-to-back run plays either, which is a plus as well. What's really killing him are the plays themselves. In the preseason, we saw a lot of fullback leads, which allowed Benson to burst ahead of what would have been the first hands on his jersey. The last two games, full back blocking has been non-existent. Further, I haven't seen any sweeps, pitches or reverses; all of which were showcased by the Raiders last week as they ran the ball down Sexy Rexy's stupid face. (PS, I think we look more like the Raiders than any other team in the NFL) Each run play for the last two weeks has looked only a little bit more than a goal-line plunge. Regardless, Benson is still averaging more than 4 yards a his credit. The only critique I have for Benson is that he is not creative. Rather than find holes, he has a tendency to bury himself into the play and consequently, the scrum, then dives and scrambles, somehow coming out for three more yards than most would. My point is the fact that he has to choose between the scrum and something outside of what was drawn up is a derivative of the play calling – which not Benson's fault.

Scott: Bernard is not an every down back. Simple. If they used him in this West Coast offense, Scott would be highly degraded by the third quarter by fatigue and wear. In order for Scott to be the starting running back, Gruden would have to serious modify the offense, incorporating him and Leonard more out of the back field and into receiving threats (which is currently done very poorly). While I love Dalton, he’s not ready for that sort of offense, which is something akin to what Carolina is doing with their rookie. Scott should be used like Ray Rice, but he reminds me more of a CJ Spiller. I'm not saying Scott is a bad back, far from; I'm just saying he's a crappy fit for this offense. I'd have traded him for a monster / dynamic full back during the off-season to line up next to Cedric as either a blocker or a defensive line breaker (see above).

Leonard: The fact that ol' Bry always seems to get 8 yards when he touches the ball just reinforces my thoughts that a lack of creativity exists in a running game that is supposed to anchor the offense. Honestly, I’d put Leonard ahead of Scott on the depth chart, but that because of how running backs are used over the past two or three years.

So... in summary - Cedric is primed to be an explosive leader on this field if Gruden can find where he left his pre-season playbook. I don't see the point of keeping Scott and sucking up a roster spot when a killer full back would be better for the offense. Lastly, Leonard is ready to bring his white-ass to the field more often, maybe a double back threat with Leonard as a roll-out passer or blocker... something I think he has also proven to be better at than Scott as well.

Lastly, I too think Zimmer will be offered the Head Coaching job sooner rather than later. No matter what your stance is on Defensive Coordinators becoming Head Coaches, as a member of WDR you HAVE to want this to happen, and here is why: If you think that Zimmer will take the job without major concessions and team control being transferred (in writing) from MFB to the Head Coach, then you're smoking Simpson's stash. Otherwise, he'll walk and go to Oakland or whatever. Zimmer has the number one trait that MFB values in his staff, namely loyalty. He also has the other trait that MFB needs - fan support. Zimmer will use this when the time comes to make changes and negotiate a contract. And yes, MFB knows that he will lose him if he doesn’t pony up… which I don’t think that MFB can afford right now, and he knows it.

This is where blackout out games, billboards, and lack of merchandise revenue really come into play - it forces MFB to concede enough control to an incumbent Head Coach who can wrestle it away from him; hopefully enough control to turn this club around.

I agree, it’s a long shot, but honestly, I think it’s the best one we got. They blew up the Death Star with less of a chance...

Bengals win.

Hell freezes over.

Actually refreshing was the halftime didn't induce the usual Bengals coma. They played a good second half.

Stoner Simpson.

Got to give Daulton props. He responded to a typical Bengal first half. By breaking the losers mold in the second. I DID NOT watch, but I happened to be renting a car in Arizona that had satellite radio and the bengals game.
Heard the bungles in the first half. Heard something insanely not bungal-like in the second.

According to some I'm the most negative guy here, but I have to call it like I see it. What Dalton lacks over Palmer in talent is unquestionable.

What is debatable is what Dalton may have over Palmer in the way of command.

And I'm a big Palmer fan. This could be a undefeated team right now with Palmer.

Looking at the Bengals schedule I still see 8-7 more losses.

But at this point, Dalton has more Boomer in him than Palmer.


I don't understand why anyone still thinks Scott is better than Benson. Against a good team on Sunday Benson popped off at 5.4 yds a carry.

Scott had 2 good games as a Bengal (in the regular season) and one was more in the kick return game.

Benson is a solid runner that is going to get good yds on most carries. Sure, Scott can be dazzling, but his side to side sweeps for a half yd are not going to cut it as an every down back.


Since Scott so rarely gets playing time, especially this year, it's obviously hard to make a case statistically. Since Scott started playing in 2009, he certainly averages more yards/carry than Benson does over that time period. But more than that it's just that many of the people I read who know football, who watch tape, who evaluate players all simply LOVE Scott. In fact, they kinda like every back we have more than Benson. They are all lukewarm on Benson. It's the same as Mathis and Livings except people pretty much said Livings was terrible.

Maybe Scott should never switch roles with Benson...but holy shit get him the ball more. It seems like they tried getting more of our RBs more carries on Sunday (not just Scott). And even though Scott's numbers look shitty on the plays he was in, it sure seemed Benson looked better than ever in a game where he shared more of the load. Leonard obviously looked good too. The issue here is simply not just why we see so little of these other backs but why there also seems to be an active decisions to not give them opportunities (think Larry Johnson being brought in). It's just weird.

I would definitely make a friendly side wager with you that the Bengals would be a better offensive team if they did a RBBC with Scott/Benson than just making Benson the primary guy...but sadly we'll never get to see the Bengals do that I guess.

This win made me realize something - I'm a terrible revolutionary. Background: the company that I work for is based in Niagara Falls, NY, and I generally work with people from that office (we also have offices in Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Chicago, and SoCal), so I end up dealing with a lot of Bills fans on a day-to-day basis. This translated to me being overly joyous when the Bengals kicked the game-winning field goal in what is essentially a meaningless game, just because it would translate into not having to listen to my coworkers harassing me. Upon further introspection, I realized that if someone told me that the Bengals would only win two games a year, but those two games would always be against the Steelers, I'd be perfectly content with that.

Wyatt, are you being facetious? I don't see how being happy about one win, especially when it means putting up with less trash talk, makes you a terrible revolutionary.

Wyatt, The goal is the Bengals win every week right?


I agree with the RBBC. We have to remember that Scott was a D2 back in college. Yes he is fast and yes he has broken some big runs, but he has not had to endure the beating that a season would bring. Hopefully, as the offense matures, we do get Scott more touches. He can make things happen. I guess I just don't know why everyone is so against Benson. There is some stat around when he gets 100yds, the Bengals win almost every time. He is durable and fights for yds.

Not to jump in on either side of the Benson/Scott discussion, but show me a stat where a RB gains over 100 yards and his team loses more often than not. The "stat" where a RB, or a team, gains 100+ rushing and the team wins X% of those games is one of the most overrated stats in all of sports, especially in the NFL. When a team is winning, they run the football. When a team is already winning, and is even marginally successful at running the ball, that team usually wins--BECAUSE the opposing team can't score enough points if they don't have enough time to score enough points to win. For a team to be able to hand a guy the ball ~25 times in a game, in today's NFL, most often means a lot of other things are going well. On the flip side, if a team is losing they don't have the luxury of running the ball as much, because they need time to score more points. Correlation does not equal causation, and this stat doesn't help.

I don't have anything against Benson, and I'm not ready to say his prime days are over. But, he is getting older, and the years of experience are piling on. Spreading the workload would benefit everyone, in my opinion.

@ Wyatt. From someone who grew up in a Red Sox household in the mid-80s, your logic makes perfect sense to me. My father would easily begrudge several whole-series if we could shut out the Yankees for a single three-game stretch. That short of dedication shows real character and zeal.

@ SWB. "It seems like they tried getting more of our RBs more carries on Sunday (not just Scott). And even though Scott's numbers look shitty on the plays he was in, it sure seemed Benson looked better than ever in a game where he shared more of the load. Leonard obviously looked good too."

Bingo. That's pretty much what I was saying above; its not the player thus far as much as it is the play calling. And if you look at the numbers...

Benson: 19/104
Scott: 5/13 (2/9 receiving)
Leonard: 4/36 (1/15 receiving)

...they pretty much back up my assessment of each player. However, SWB makes a solid point - Benson got a second wind and the Buffalo defense had to take note when Scott came in... I think they would have taken more note if Leonard would have come in more often, and even moreso if he would line up in a two back set with Benson.

The best place for Scott right now would be to replace Brandon Tate as the returner on special teams. God knows we need the help there.

I don't know, I guess I just feel like settling for two wins a season, provided they are the "right" two wins, isn't what we're about here. But I can honestly say that if I could shut up all the Steelers fans in my family and the area in which I live because the 2-14 Bengals get their "guaranteed wins" every year against the Steelers, I would absolutely take that over something like 2009. I've enjoyed the two wins this year (and even the two losses, to be honest) more than I enjoyed ANY win in 2009 (Steelers wins not included, but those are always oh-so-sweet), because the entire 2009 season felt like we were just waiting for the other shoe to drop. I don't imagine I'm the only one, but I just kept waiting for them to lose, and they eventually did, to the point that I knew there was literally no chance against the Jets in the Wild Card playoff game.

Of course, my preference would be to see this team be run like a professional team and win 10+ games a year and contend for championships, but that seems unrealistic, so my two-wins-a-year scenario actually feels like a best case, y'know?

I apologize for essentially venting my existential crisis of fandom here, but the regulars here are the only like-minded individuals I can communicate with regularly, as my aunts who are Bengals fans lean more towards the sheep variety of fans.

As for the running back debate, I tend to agree with guttersnake - Scott has shown flashes of brilliance, but trying to turn him into an every down back is just going to lead to him being either injured or ineffective. Remember when Bengals management thought they could let Rudi Johnson go and succeed with Chris Perry as the primary back? While I doubt Scott would fumble as frequently as the oft-injured Perry, I just don't feel like he's ready for a full-time workload. But yes, I agree that RBBC should be implemented, and that each of the three backs currently on the roster need to be able to showcase their skills. At this point, I think the running back position is the biggest casualty of the lockout and not being able to work with a new offensive coordinator - Gruden focused so much on getting Dalton and Green ready to play (something he accomplished admirably, imo) that another facet of the offense had to suffer, and that just so happened to be the running back corps. Let's see how this develops as the season goes on.


yes, your argument holds some water. BUT, the Bengals were never ahead on Sunday, and still got Benson his yards. I think the Bengals never had a chance to win that game had they abandoned the run.

Wyatt, I see the point but shoot, winning just feels better that week.

we're hoping for an empty stadium.

You know, Zimmer is Thee Spartan Leader

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@Hofbraunow: Dude, you bought a Dell! (shitty support is to be expected)

I'm really happy I found it thank you very much

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