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    IN THIS TIME of perpetual Cincinnati Bengals incompetence and futility, with zero playoff wins in the nineteen seasons since the WhoDeyRevolution Godfather, Paul Brown, passed away in 1991 and handed the team to his fortunate son, the Despot, Mike Brown;

    Introduction

    WE, the members of the Who Dey Revolution, in our fervent dedication to the Cincinnati Bengals and fanatical desire to transform our hometown team into perpetual Super Bowl contenders, call for a popular revolution of fans to demand comprehensive reform to the managerial decisions and approach of Cincinnati Bengals ownership, management, staff and players, and hereby call for the adoption of the following Who Dey Revolution Manifesto:

    Manifesto Demands

    THAT the Mike Brown, Katie Blackburn, Marvin Lewis, along with every other member of the Bengals management, staff and personnel, state publicly to all Bengals fans, “I will do everything in my power to help the Cincinnati Bengals win a Super Bowl;”

    THAT Mike Brown will hire a general manager, drastically expand the scouting department and relinquish all control of player personnel;

    THAT all training, rehabilitation and medical facilities are considered best-in-class compared to other NFL teams;

    THAT the management fill the team only with players who fit the system, both mentally and physically, and are not reluctant to makes changes to player personnel when needed, regardless of cost or loyalty concerns;

    THAT offensive and defensive line depth is considered the top priority for all player personnel decisions;

    THAT all decisions made by ownership, management, staff and players, both on and off the field, are judged only by this criterion: “Does this help the Cincinnati Bengals win a Super Bowl?”

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February 25, 2011

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Too bad JJ is a standup guy on the team. If he were a convict, Mikeyboy Brown could get him in stripes cheap and redeem at the same time!!!

Why can we expect Carson under center? Didn't he sell his house?

Shit has hit the fan... with Gruden in as OC and a new playbook, once the CBA ends on March 3rd No coaches are allowed to connect or reach out to their players... and somehow this Gruden acquistion makes up better? How? by bringing in a new playbook not one player can study until the lockout is over... Even if there is an NFL season in 2011, the Bengals sure wont be able to compete. There was an article about this issue... to bad I cant find it now... Oh and in regard to JJ he deserves a long term lucrative deal and he will get one just not from Mikey!

They should have signed JJ last summer when they started talking. They could have gotten him for about half of what it would have taken a year ago. But since MFB doesn't have a proactive bone in his body, his "wait and see what the market does" game just bit him in the ass. Again.

I've got $2 that says we see him in a Ravens uni next year. I hate you, Mike Brown.

Why can we expect to see Palmer under center? Are you on crack???

I think what he was going for was you are more likely to see Palmer under center than JJ in a bengals uniform.

Where the Hell is Zimmer in all this?! Capataz Louis 'supposedly' stayed on so that he could have greater control over player and coaching moves... was the deal only on the offensive side of the ball? I hate to say it, but it would appear that since Mike Zimmer signed his fat contract last year, he's been sitting like "I got mine."

With JJ, Hall, and Jones, all that is required of the defense is one or two DEs, an OLB and a MF'ing Safety! I don't understand how you can afford NOT to pay him. First, you get a solid CB that you simply can't replace with either the draft or free agency, but much much more importantly, the Bengals would show to an extremely disinfrancised fan-base that they actually give a shit about winning!

I simply cannot see how the Bengals organization, with their profit-first mindset, can look at this off-season as anything less than a "No Fail" scenario. I'll say it again - not locking up Jonathan Joseph at this point in time for the Bengals is nothing shy of sheer madness!

...now, @ Rk...

I think your right, on your read of Brosef's point, but why haven't we talked about Carson at length yet??? Look, I love the guy, but he's put up with "it" long enough. Also, from a franchise point of view, trading him would be FRICKIN GREAT! You'd free up a metric fuck-ton of money so that we could get JJ and Benson back and still have a bit left over to sign on of the leagues floating heads... like Kevin Kolb???? Best of all, a trade would come with a solid draft pick, maybe even a first rounder?

Again, madness that this is even a consideration? Just let the dominoes fall, Mikey; you're killing me!!!

Is there a cap hit for tradeing palmer because if there is then you could not sign either of the guys after you take that huge cap hit.

I am all for say a late first/early second and a third or forth round pick for Palmer. There are teams where he could be a solid QB, just not here in cincy thanks to the fact that mike brown is the 12 man on the other team.

Bengals twitter account said that Lewis stated in his interview that they are working to get deals done for JJoe and Ced before March 4th. Take it for what it's worth.

Josiah won't be able to field offers when there is no CBA. Teams will be banned from talking to players, teams wouldnt risk that liability to talk to him.

Of course letting Joseph go will be called 'rebuilding'...and with that I hereby divest myself emotionally of this team...if they win at all, I will be glad, like this, -yay- , but I can no longer care any more than that...


In other news, looks like Jeff Berding is looking for more city money,
by getting rid of as many city vehicles as possible...how thoughtful

Al Davis is becoming are enemy as well, he seems to always sign players for big money when are player at the same position are free agents. We have a slim chance of signing them then Crypt Keeper Davis blows any shot we have. This would all be moot if Mike Brown gave one Grand Slam Breakfast with prune juice SHIT about winning but it is what it is.

Is it not a sad state of affairs that Joseph won't be re-signed by the Bengals but we know someone else will sign him?

a top 10 (maybe even top 5) cover corner in the whole NFL, about to hit his prime...

yeah, not worth signing.

Franchise Shayne Graham? yes.
Franchise Stacy Andrews? yes.

You guys are smoking crack if you think we'll get anything better than a third-rounder for Palmer, and Mikey wouldn't even trade him if he were offered a package that included a first-rounder. He's damaged goods at this point (whether or not you personally believe this to be true, that's the perception of him around the league), and there's no way any SANE owner/gm would offer better than a late second-rounder for him.

Also, ChiBengal, if Gruden has his playbook completed before March 4th, which is what his intention is, then the players are able to study the playbook even if no deal is in place. Since Jerome Simpson (aka our future savior at WR - *sigh*) is already raving about Gruden's plays, I would guess there's already some form of simplified playbook out there for the team to peruse. So leave the Chicken Little attitude out of it next time - hiring a trash can to be offensive coordinator would make the team better than having Bratkowski calling plays.

Carson's not coming back. If he has any brains that is.

Joseph's departure was sealed last year when pac man was signed very cheaply.

You can hear the hob-spin on this already. With Roy Williams healthy the bengals secondary still boasts three 1st rounders. Or Joseph was always hurt anyway. Or the emergence of Carlos Dunlap and an improved pass rush made Joseph expendable.

But yeah he'll be a Raven next year.

It'll only be a few weeks after the combine when we start hearing about Dan Lefevour. How he's an intriguing blend of talent. And it's going to be a tough year in a new offense for anyone. That'll tell you all you need to know about what they're doing at #4.

MFB doesn't want to pay a QB that much. If there is a rookie cap it probably won't go into effect until the 2012 draft as the PA will do their best to cash in for this years picks.

So MFB will wait another season and get one a bunch cheaper.

He'll be looking for a discount this year and the best way to do that is to reach for someone at 4 and then try and get him to take less money than the 4th pick got. It's a good spot for mike because what's the guy going to do? Sit out and go back into the 12 draft with a rookie salary cap? MFB will have leverage on whoever he picks.

I'm saying the reach is Mark Ingram, who I like btw.

Please don't draft Peterson and move him out of position. We already have enough players playing out of position.

He's going to force Carsons hand and make him retire. Hopefully Carson does what he said he will.

But to all of those talking about trading down or trading at all. Really? I don't think MFB pays the extra 50 bucks for multiple phone lines at the draft.

Wyatt,

Regardless... An unhappy Carson, new OC, young unproven WR's, and Mike Brown... If there is a 2011 season the Bengals are still gonna suck balls!

Letting JJ go is nothing more than the typical business model for Mike Brown. Remember Eric Steinbach? If a player truly becomes a superstar status, he is gone after his initial contract unless he is a wide receiver or a quarterback. Very rarely does Mike make an exception to that. If the player is of average value, and Mike can get him for "his price", he might stick around.

But Mike's damage is not just with the star players. If you are the "depth" of the team, you likely are gone after your initial contract unless Mike can get you cheap. The raises won't be coming. After all, he has to sign all those draft choices. Review the massacre of the team roster after the 2006 season. That was the year I finally understood the Mike Brown business model. I knew a bad season or two was coming just because of the destruction of the depth of the team. Its also really tough to get that information in the off-season. For whatever reason the press does not publish this they way the seem to do for other sports like baseball.

That is why so many of the Bengals draft picks stick around. When there is no depth, you gotta have someone. It's not a complement to their ability to draft. Their drafts have been terrible by league standards. And if they do luck out on a player or two (JJ), look what happens.

Mike's business model is an utter failure. Two winning seasons in twenty years continue to be the facts of the case. The loss of outstanding players like JJ hurts, but watch what Mike does with the players that represent depth to the team (and its future?) and you will see the real damage he does.

a few things to contribute and query:

@ the guy who asked about carson's cap hit: i believe his deal was structured to where most if not all of his guarantee has been paid, so there's only a 1-2mil hit per yer to cover.

@ wyatt: just going with the trend of the league, i personally don't believe we'll get a 1st rounder for carson, but on the other hand, it's most of the talking heads out there that maintain carson is well respected as a talent in the league and ascribe most of his problems to the organization/drama at wr...

dude, you get on this board with things to say every once in a while, and we all get that you live in or are from shittsburgh, but because of that strike against you, you're going to have to do a bit better to be a little more like a human on this site. people couldn't care less for your self-righteous dribble when you go all, "i know what the league is thinking" garbage. nobody on here has any legit sources, so, unfortunately to parallel a wch theme, don't act like what you're saying is fact, and if you are, don't be a shittsburgh dick about it.

ok, did anyone see the trouble article by zimmer on bengals.com today. he claims not to have watched any tape on any defensive player in the draft yet. seems to be claiming that the squad that he has now is the tits, and they just need to do the classic marvin, "play better". hobs also trying to set us up with, "seems to be an offensive draft for the bengals in the first two rounds". ef' that/us.

come to think about it, we've had two offensive 1st rounders the last two years, and i guess three defensive the year before that. my personal opinion is that it should be swinging back the d's way now.

so, a lot of great points about the j.jo situation above. personally, i'd love to see him signed or at least franchised. but if we're given that m.brown won't do that and he leaves, let's discuss where that leaves us.

first question i have involves that scenario and a couple of others: how does the supplemental draft work exactly (specifically for the potential loss of these three starters: jjo, benson, dhani). i believe the supplemental picks are awarded based on previous salary, signed for salary by another team, and amount of playing time/starts for the previous team. if that's about how it works, i'd assume we'd get a 3rd for benson and jjo, and a 5th for dhani possibly. my next question is to verify that those picks would come in 2012.

ok, so that's just out there as one piece of compensation. we'd have a 3rd coming for jjo next year possibly.

so, that leaves us with hall (w'ed have to sign him at that point right?) and pacman, trent, unproven ghee to compete for starter, nickel, backup.

@the guy who doesn't want peterson to play safety. there are a fair amount of reports out there that say he can do it. if we could get a troy or ed reed, come on. as good as the ravens and stillers d's are, those guys hands down make the difference when they're healthy and in.

so without jjo, we could get peterson at 4. i really don't think anybody would question it.

other than that, i'm have always been on board with a d tackle to help free up our emerging pass rushers from the end. and all the talk about the lb miller from tx a&m is pretty exciting too. luga in the middle. rivers/miller outside. bring m.j. back to passing downs on the end. pick up a tackle a little later, and get that safety from clemson that people mock to be there in the 3rd for us (character concerns).

green and jones seem exciting, but i'm on board with defense in the first and OG in the 2nd. our offense is going to suck for a while, so skill position can wait (maybe the simpson/caldwell/shipley/gresham development will surprise). i think letting benson go and signing blount would be a possible m.brown maneuver that could pay off.

DT, S, passrushing LB - whatever we decide would be a positive

OG, C, punishing RB - ibid

don't expect we will, but trade back a few to pick up a 2nd, trade carson for a 1st or 2nd, trade chad for a 3rd, and we've got room to get some of that. (qb and o-line to be improved through f.a. as well)

why do i get wrapped up in this? i'm boring myself.

sorry.

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      0 - Total number of playoff wins in Mike Brown's tenure as owner

      .359 - Bengals regular season winning percentage since Mike Brown took over as owner (115-206-1 in 20 seasons)

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      3 - Total number of non-clerical employees employed in the Bengals scouting department, lowest in the league

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