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Who Dey Revolution Manifesto

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    IN THIS TIME of perpetual Cincinnati Bengals incompetence and futility, with zero playoff wins in the nineteen seasons since the WhoDeyRevolution Godfather, Paul Brown, passed away in 1991 and handed the team to his fortunate son, the Despot, Mike Brown;


    WE, the members of the Who Dey Revolution, in our fervent dedication to the Cincinnati Bengals and fanatical desire to transform our hometown team into perpetual Super Bowl contenders, call for a popular revolution of fans to demand comprehensive reform to the managerial decisions and approach of Cincinnati Bengals ownership, management, staff and players, and hereby call for the adoption of the following Who Dey Revolution Manifesto:

    Manifesto Demands

    THAT the Mike Brown, Katie Blackburn, Marvin Lewis, along with every other member of the Bengals management, staff and personnel, state publicly to all Bengals fans, “I will do everything in my power to help the Cincinnati Bengals win a Super Bowl;”

    THAT Mike Brown will hire a general manager, drastically expand the scouting department and relinquish all control of player personnel;

    THAT all training, rehabilitation and medical facilities are considered best-in-class compared to other NFL teams;

    THAT the management fill the team only with players who fit the system, both mentally and physically, and are not reluctant to makes changes to player personnel when needed, regardless of cost or loyalty concerns;

    THAT offensive and defensive line depth is considered the top priority for all player personnel decisions;

    THAT all decisions made by ownership, management, staff and players, both on and off the field, are judged only by this criterion: “Does this help the Cincinnati Bengals win a Super Bowl?”

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Actually, I think Hob's argument about the Kickers improving was more based upon Simmons' coaching rather than competition alone. His argument actually holds some water because Graham was a virtual unknown and became the club's lone Pro Bowl kicker under Simmons' tutelage. While there was the omnipresent "Hob-spin" element to his post, the argument that coaching should help these two kickers is actually valid. Either way, kicker is the biggest, and perhaps only, question mark on this roster at the moment.


I agree completely. While I'm very happy that Shayne has moved on to more purple pastures, I do think that we may have traded the devil we know for the one that we don't. Question mark is the perfect way to describe the two new kickers. We simply don't know what they are going to do out there... which is more scary to me that being deliquent on any other position. I hope that your right and Hob's report on Simmon's abilities as a kicker's coach holds water... but then again, hope is not a method.

If these guys go out and crap the bed, everything else we have done in this off season will be wasted. Period.

On the other hand... I am a bit excited to see Shayne as a Raven... I feel like we just lit a bag of poop on fire just outside Bank Stadium. HEHE!!

If the devil we know missed two field goals inside 40 yards in the most important game during Mike Brown's tenure, then it's safe to say the devil we don't know can't be worse.

It's kicking. Leg strength (measurable) and the ability to stay calm under pressure (hard to measure) are all that matters. Coaching is almost entirely irrelevant.

Rayner and Nugent both have at least as good length strength as Ginger (who was weak in this department), and since Shayne buckled under pressure routinely, we know they can't be worse there either.

Nugent used to nail clutch field goals under pressure at OSU all the time. So I'm pulling for him.

"Meanwhile, I'm not quite sure how Rayner and Nugent are supposed to improve because of competition alone." Huh?

Competition is always good. It brings people to their best. We work harder, focus more, dig deeper when someone is right next to us, trying to take what we want. Why else did the Bengals go out and sign 37 WRs this off-season? Let them fight it out and see who shines. (Heck, I'd be better at my job if I knew some noob was was waiting to snatch it if I was not at my best. Thankfully, there isn't.)

If competition alone doesn't bring improvement, shouldn't the Bengals name their 53-man roster NOW? Why give reps to 30+ guys who won't be here in 2 months?

As for kicker, I'd be happy with whichever one can force a touchback on a regular basis. I vaguely remember touchbacks.

@Major Payne - I guess the idea is that there isn't a whole lot a kicker can do to improve anyway. Your preparation would likely not change whether or not you have someone in camp alongside you.

What are these touchbacks of which you speak?

SWB --

Though Kicker is a relatively unimportant position compared to QB, RB, O-Line, etc, how can you actually say that coaching isn't important to specific position groups? Guys like Paul Alexander, Jim Anderson, Kevin Coyle and the Hayes brothers have done wonders in having players grow into good football players and maximizing their potential. I seem to remember that Special Teams as a whole in the Pre-Marvin/Pre-Simmons era was piss-poor. Since then, they're near the top in Kick Returns and Kick and Punt Coverage, and last year Punt returning was also turned around. If Graham was a 71% Kicker when he came to Cincinnati and left as the NFL's fourth all-time leader in accuracy, you're saying that his position coach had NOTHING to do with his improvement and he magically became a Pro Bowl Kicker? And to take an excerpt from Hobby, Simmons saw the potential in Graham while he was in Carolina and groomed him to be the kicker that he became. I think Simmons got the most out of Graham for all of his shortcomings (weak kickoff leg, choke artist), but I contend that he had a lot to do Graham's rise to once "Top five-dom" in the NFL.

Shaynee needs to get with the program in Cincy. He should go out and rape a couple girls, get arrested, then ask for mercy from Mikey Boy and.. BAM...he has his golden spot back.

Sambo, that's not funny. We leave the rapin' to Pittsburgh.

So if they weight the same as a duck...


How do you know competition is always good? Any studies to back this claim? It may bring out the best is some and it may cause some to fold like a card table. Or as stated in the post it may cause people to overwork and become ineffective. And what happens once the competition is gone/cut? do they go back to "pre-competition" performance levels?

"Competition makes people better" is one of those cliches that coaches/reporters use all the time and I think we've heard it so much we believe it to be true. I just wonder if there is any evidence for it other than anecdotal. If it takes competition to make top level athletes perform their best I'm suspect as to how much they can help the team.

@Clause - I'm saying coaching can do very little to make a kicker better than he already is. Even working extra hard I'm guessing can't really do much to make a kicker better. It's just kicking. For other positions, clearly this is not the case. After seeing Hard Knocks our position coaches seem quite good.

As Competitiveness will explain, measuring a kicker by field goal accuracy turns out to be a dangerous and mostly misleading way to judge kicking ability as too many other factors matter. Basically all Shayne's accuracy stats proved is that we asked him to kick lots of easy field goals in situations with little pressure.

Shayne Graham's change from a 71% kicker (with only 26 attempts - too small a sample to matter anyway) to pro bowl kicker is really just a function of chance, circumstance and an archaic focus on accuracy. It has virtually nothing to do with coaching.

Graham should be counting his lucky stars he has even had an NFL career. Face it, any douche could have come in here and done the job Graham has. He rarely had to kick over 45 yards and was hardly ever under pressure to make a kick. Not to mention he racked up a ton of points in the potent Bengals offense from 04-06. His kickoffs have been constantly weak and he chokes in big games. I salute his accuracy to a point but he got quality attempts and good coaching. I don't think what he brought to the table was anything special Nugent or Rayner could bring.


A study? Really? How exactly do you propose to quantify the progression of how individuals would have developed had competition not been a part of their development, or vice versa? We are talking the acquisition of skills here. It isn't like a lab where you can erase the skill, change the competition variable, and see the corresponding change in development. If coaches (who make a living at developing competitors) largely say that competition is good, I will believe them. My personal experience also agrees. If you think competition is negligible, then you are the one who needs a produce data disproving the "cliche".

I don't mean this to slam on you, but from your comment it sounds like you have never truly competed with someone to be the best at something. I'm saying it is understood through experience. I've been the top dog who was trying to be bumped out by someone else, and in another case I've been the guy chasing the top dog but was never quite able to catch him. I may not have "won" in the second case, but I worked harder and (I believe) gained more than I would have without the competition.

If you want to argue with me using the world "always", I'll give you that. I know that an exception can generally be found to any blanket statement like that.

I'm with JMo. Graham never had ridiculously hard kicks to make and the few he tried, he missed. I thought for sure that 47 yarder in the Eagles tie was going in, and if I remember it right I think the conditions were fine. But looking back, if I could've chosen Graham or Nugent, I'd take Nugent. He had a leg at OSU and though he's largely unproven in the NFL, kickers in the league can be a dime a dozen. Remember around 04 or 05 when ALL the kickers had good stats? Vanderjagt, Vinatieri, Graham, hell even Rackers is better out of Cincinnati. Our offense 04-06 (as JMo points out) led to a lot of freebie points for Graham. So if our offense is better again this year, shouldn't it do the same with Nugent or Rayner?

"Nugent, who has been with three teams, has made 79 percent of his 100 field-goal tries."

Yeah, The Nuge!!!

Cat Scratch Fee-ver, ber-ner-ner-*NERL*

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