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    IN THIS TIME of perpetual Cincinnati Bengals incompetence and futility, with zero playoff wins in the nineteen seasons since the WhoDeyRevolution Godfather, Paul Brown, passed away in 1991 and handed the team to his fortunate son, the Despot, Mike Brown;


    WE, the members of the Who Dey Revolution, in our fervent dedication to the Cincinnati Bengals and fanatical desire to transform our hometown team into perpetual Super Bowl contenders, call for a popular revolution of fans to demand comprehensive reform to the managerial decisions and approach of Cincinnati Bengals ownership, management, staff and players, and hereby call for the adoption of the following Who Dey Revolution Manifesto:

    Manifesto Demands

    THAT the Mike Brown, Katie Blackburn, Marvin Lewis, along with every other member of the Bengals management, staff and personnel, state publicly to all Bengals fans, “I will do everything in my power to help the Cincinnati Bengals win a Super Bowl;”

    THAT Mike Brown will hire a general manager, drastically expand the scouting department and relinquish all control of player personnel;

    THAT all training, rehabilitation and medical facilities are considered best-in-class compared to other NFL teams;

    THAT the management fill the team only with players who fit the system, both mentally and physically, and are not reluctant to makes changes to player personnel when needed, regardless of cost or loyalty concerns;

    THAT offensive and defensive line depth is considered the top priority for all player personnel decisions;

    THAT all decisions made by ownership, management, staff and players, both on and off the field, are judged only by this criterion: “Does this help the Cincinnati Bengals win a Super Bowl?”

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April 09, 2010


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I can't really take credit for pointing out the Browns signed Ghiaciuc - I was just basing off the link of the guy who posted above me. I think I was the first on this site to mention the re-signing of Kyle Cook, though, which is actually more important to me. Cook could be a great center in the NFL, and I think the Bengals may have done the right thing for his development in keeping him behind the Inverse Pancake Machine for a couple of seasons instead of letting him get killed, get Carson killed (which unfortunately happened anyway), and lose his confidence. Instead, he came in hungry, showed he's got the brains to handle the calls and the strength to handle AFCN nose tackles, so I'm actually hoping they'll re-sign him again when football resumes, whether that's 2011 or later.

In terms of Ghiaciuc, Delhomme, and Seneca Wallace, I think this is Holmgren's slightly subtle way of getting rid of Mangini while still maintaining a "nice guy" persona. After telling the press he didn't think it'd be fair to give Mangini his walking papers after only one season, so this is his way of making sure Mangini's second season isn't any more successful. Just the conspiracy theorist in me coming out to play, I suppose.

I am pumped they signed Cook, not only is he a great center and a big surprise, he is a neighbor. I see him all the time and he is always cool.

Boom, name drop, kinda.

Seriously though, I agree with Wyatt. Very good player and seems to have a great head on his shoulders.

Actually, I've changed my mind regarding Holmgren's strategy - I'm no longer sure it's completely a ploy to be able to dismiss Mangini with cause at the end of the season. The more I think about it, the more I think signing Ghiaciuc is a great idea by Holmgren and company, for the simple fact that Jake Delhomme can't throw interceptions if he's on his back or if Ghiaciuc's rolling up on him, which, from experience, we as Bengals fans know will happen on at least 60% of the Browns offensive plays. Joe Thomas and Steinbach can kiss the Pro Bowl good-bye - it's hard to make a case for yourself if your quarterback never gets a chance to attempt a pass.

Cleveland most likely picked up Ghiaciuc as a backup. I think what Holgren has done this offseason has made sense: he has cut a lot of dead weight and now he is filling holes with bodies that can be upgraded in the next two drafts/ FA periods. Very similar to what Marvin did in 2003 and 2004. They have JT, ES, and Alex Mack at Center, whom they drafted in the first round last year. I can't remember who they have on the right side, but they have been building a tough O-line the past couple of years. If their defense continues to improve like it did at the end of last season, they could surprise a lot of teams in 2011.

thanks for the footnote wyatt (check out the old hob comments for my original plea to move it along with fresh bengals' issues and my applause of hob's big ben dig in his latest can now see it mentioned as an unaccredited citation in the new hobspin post on this site...ibid, your honor...)

- i do agree that sometimes news on this site often comes with the speed of pushing molasses up hill...though providing such breaking commentary is not really the stated objective. (In that light, some more Project Mayhem ideas would be very welcome as that is what we are all here for. even if they have to be toned down in their aggressiveness to suit the realities of the day, it would be just as effective to do some that give a little tough-love encouragement, pointing out some of the baby steps that are taking us in the right direction, i.e. - zimmer extension, added line-depth, smarter free agency action, more accepted input from marvin, and then go with the, "we are all life-long students; invest in our education by studying with a professional gm...)

and not to drown the pancake parade with urine, while i found it funny that holmgren did sign our boy, let's not all act like he's really going to be playing...they drafted Mack last year. thomas, steiny, and mack, just doesn't have the same jingoistic hysteria to it though, does it...

Hey guys, for what its worth I had a really (really) slow work week. With my spare time, rather than do something productive, I finalized a rather time intensive Mock Draft. Its on my blog, which is not as well managed as this one... anyway check it out.



Interesting take on the mock draft. While I'm with you that it would suck to see yet another division team with a great tight end that they use in the passing game, I can't say I disagree with your pick for the Ravens.

as it will be talked about incessantly over the next couple of days on espn, i'll try to be as reserved as possible here:

the steelers just shipped that cocky fuck santonio to the god damn jets for a 5th.

i will never forget that little chotch's over-time break for daylight or his bogus superbowl grab. damn it i have such a negative reaction to anything black and yellow.

so i would like to ask a couple of things from the panel here:

1. does this indicate that the rooney family moves to protect its reputation and represents the mold we wish mikey would fashion the bengals after? or is this just smart football too (holmes is overrated, an irritation, and they can nab a high quality replacement in the draft)? does any of this have any bearing on what the steelers will/should do with gentle ben?

2. are the jets making sound football decisions here? clearly the draft pick is not that big a deal, though i believe they are quite limited after trading for so many veterans. is such a strategy a sound plan the bengals should emulate - filling needs with proven (debatable) talent through somewhat bold off-season moves instead of sticking to vanilla draft strategies, often c-list free agents, and the rare buzz unworthy trade?

3. what if the bengals had cut a troubled player so quickly? would the revolution support that cleanly based solely on the image aspect alone, or does football have to come into the argument at the end of the day? can anyone give a good real-life analogy or reasonably similar hypothetical? what if the bengals had been the ones on the receiving end (no need to what if that one)? does the media treat our actions with a slanted bias over a team like the jets doing very similar things? are the jets copying a recently proven (somewhat) mike brown formula?

4. at the risk of repeating myself - what are the revoltion's suggested guidelines for the following:

-dealing with troublesome players (both those on your roster or potentially be added to)?

-stocking your team with veterans (through f.a. and trades) vs. draft. are there somewhat consistent scenarios (positions, ages, avg. salary) where it is wiser to put your money on veterans? are there positions (both on the field and in draft order and rounds) where it is better to take a chance on rookies? as a model to follow - does the hoodie method of collecting mid/late round draft picks and signing aging veterans seem pleasing or does the tubby method of spending draft picks on younger, more volatile talent and filling other holes with aging hipsters a better play? again, can we draw some metrics here that can be consistently followed based on player position/age/cost?

...i don't know what to think of this move as a bengals fan. my first instinct is to be happy the steelers are in this mess and to gloat a big eff you over that douche holmes. my second instinct is to pray that it fucks over that smug chubster and their guido fans in every way possible.

god bless samoa.

I like this move b/c I hope this effects the Steelers draft day strategy and forces them to go WR with their first pick. I doubt it will, but if it does it gives the Bengals a good shot of getting our Samoan guard.

According to a friend who is from Pittsburgh, it sounds like there are layers to the Holmes trade:
1. Supposedly his contract is up at the end of this season.
2. He wanted out of Pittsburgh so he could be more marketable for endorsements.
3. Rumors in Pitt are that he is going to be suspended from his actions.

To respond to your points:
1. I don't think they will ship out Ben. A franchise QB is hard to replace, a WR is not as big of a loss. So I don't think this is a reputation thing, if it were they would cut Ben. Like Cincy, Pittsburgh has had it fair share of tools as well like Joey Porter; they just seem to not make the front page when they get busted.

2. The Jets are getting a deal. Holmes is worth a 2nd round pick since he is a dependable starter. The Jets should have a pretty strong team this year if they don't fall apart from character issues.

3. The difference btwn NYC and Cincy, is that they don't give crap if he has baggage. In their world, stars are supposed to have issues: From A-Rod to Babe Ruth, Joe Namath to LT, it is a part of their sports. In tightwad Cincy, everyone is concerned about character image.

4. Remember the bogus claim of your high school or college coach when they would threaten to bench starters. It is and always will be BS. Winning is what matters, and it quickly makes character issues disappear. This goes back to my point no. 1 above; removing your franchise QB makes it more difficult to win, which only amps up the bad PR. If the Steelers made this move to make a point to the players, I bet there are a lot of eyes rolling in the Steeler locker room right now since Big Ben is still sitting there with his play for Jesus shirt on his back- what a hypocrite.

It is the same logic that people on this blog and other Cincy websites were against the Jones pickup or going after Stallworth, but supported trading for Marshall. People run from people with prior bad PR, but are ok with players that are a future train wreck. It doesn't make sense to me.

People don't like the Matt Jones signing because Matt Jones sucks at football.

but to further question the point:

does matt jones' suckiness at football have certain contexts - certain contexts that from a football perspective might not have to be dealt with for his time in cincy? for instance -

matt jones sucks at football when he is hooked on coke.

matt jones sucks at football when he is a rookie and transitioning to a new position.

matt jones sucks at football when he is immature.

matt jones sort of sucks at football when he has a couple of years to develop and is asked to be a number one or number two.

matt jones sucks as a football personnel pickup when he's been out of football for a long time, comes with yet-to-be-seen-if-they-are-behind-him demons, and demands a large investment.

i would argue in cincy, matt jones' suckiness due to the above factors might be severely hampered, and in fact matt jones might not suck so bad at all when it seems to be the case that:

matt jones is not on coke.

matt jones has more and more experience at his position.

matt jones has more and more maturity.

matt jones is asked only to be a big target in the redzone and stretch the field as a three or four.

matt jones is hired at the veteran minimum and has a desire to prove he's worthy of a larger contract which we are not on the hook for.

i really don't have any idea what it means that his tryout was supposedly god awful. i would have to imagine the rust will continue to be knocked off and he'll prove to be at most as sucky as the car matt damon gets for his 21st in good will hunting. and as an added attraction in a possible fantasy world, what if his skills and bratt's creativity were magically rediscovered and/or enhanced to the point that we run a wr pass to mardy ball on troy and co for 6 all day, twice a year?

I agree, Jones may be terrible, but if he sucks during training camp they can cut him; it is no skin off their back. If he can show that he can produce in the slot as a 3rd or 4th WR, then they picked up a productive player. So it is not that bad or risky of a pick up.

But I don't remember Jones's production the main item that people were complaining about on the Enquirer site, PFT, and WDR when they first announced his signing. It seemed like it was the fact that he had off-field issues. People would have lost their shit even more had they picked up Stallworth, who ironically is more likely to produce on the field than Jones.

While I agree with both sides of the Matt Jones argument, which I think I sum up as 'He sucked then, he sucks now, let’s see if he sucks at camp'; I'd like to look at what this does for the draft.

- Jets. I was already calling them to draft a receiver with their first round pick so I feel I assessed a need correctly. However, picking up Holmes and spending a first round pick on the position might be overkill. I think that they will use their pick address their needs at DE/DT.

- Steelers. I don't see them giving up the Samoan. Two reasons, first Ben is a quarterback who is concussion susceptible and his protection sucks. To ignore that at your primary need is just dumb. Secondly, with the Jets not likely to select a receiver now, I think that it is safe to say that only one WR will be selected in the 1st Round: Dez Byant. If that's the case, the Steelers are in a great position to get someone worth a damn in the second round.

Now, I'm off to update my mock draft. ...and Wyatt; you can leave a comment there too, bro. I don't have quite the patronage that this site has.

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