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February 02, 2010

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In Part II Troy seduces Patrick with a smooth jazz rendition of Sade's "Smooth Operator".

Well here's the 'end-all-to-be-all' on this situation.

If it wouldn't have been for egotistical asses who didn't give a shit about the repercussions for being the spoiled brats that they are, if it weren't for the various politicians waiting on their respective kickbacks, if it weren't for a bunch of people willing to lie to others in order to allow for the first two situations, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Those people who decided that because THEY couldn't do without something and forced us -- who didn't give a shit about having a pro-football team -- those specious "It's MY world!" POS's -- they ALL combined in this perfect shit storm to give us this garbage we have now. And, if you think that these 'problem children' are going to 'learn their lesson' from this debacle and 1) not let it happen again and 2) will become better people and not just focus only on their self-serving selves -- you'd be sorely mistaken. These types of people don't change (by and large) and you will see them rear their ugly collective heads yet again. Some are already approaching this point via asking for an indoor practice facility. A 'shot across the bow' to be sure but I'd be willing that the same people barking about such a needless facility are more than likely the same people who only gave a crap about themselves and let this shit happen in the first place.

I'm just sayin'...

wch,

An honest question here, and not an attempt at flaming, as I can certainly see where you're coming from, being a polisci guy and having some inkling of how the political system functions on its various levels - if you consider yourself in the "us" group that you reference in the following quote from your post: "...and forced us -- who didn't give a shit about having a pro-football team--...", then why, pray tell, do you visit this site? If you admittedly "don't give a shit about having a pro-football team", then why go out of your way to contribute vocally to a site that's essentially dedicated to said pro football team? I'm trying to better understand things from your point of view, but this is, by far, the largest obstacle that keeps me from doing so, and I feel like if you can better explain your position to me, it'll help me immensely in better understanding your points from here on out.

In terms of this renegotiation, all the Bengals are trying to do is gain additional leverage to get a new stadium built in 2017 or be able to leave (or is it 2019 when their opt-out clause would take effect?), so why waste time talking about anything else? I appreciate the FJM-style breakdown because the mockery of all things Family are to be commended; however, when you get down to brass tacks, all that this negotiation is trying to accomplish is pretty plain and simple - I'm sure the Family paid for a study to see how long the average lifespan of an NFL stadium is expected to be going forward (rather than paying for scouts and whatnot), and the Family want to make sure they have the "Build us a new stadium or we'll walk" leverage before PBS becomes obsolete and they'd actually have to consider lowering ticket prices (vis a vis inflation, anyway).

Making your side look better is just part of negotiations that are public, anyone will tell you that. Would you expect AIG etc to go to Congress and say "yes we screwed up because we are greedy??" Is this what this site is turning into, finding silly ways to complain about the Bengals?? I get the scout, GM, MB is the devil arguments but really what is there to bitch about here??? P&G gets tax breaks from the city, do you really think their lawyers would act any different than the Bengals if the city tried to revoke those tax breaks? Uh no they would be as bad if not worse.

It is basic business to try and get the best deal possible, short of Dallas every other NFL team has done the same thing. There is a reason the Vikings are threatening to move to LA and it isn't the weather. If you owned a business and you were negotiating the rent you pay for your office space would you feel guilty if you were able to get a great deal.

@the truth,

Right, I don't fault the Bengals at all, and I state they don't even need to come to the table to try to offer anything in the first place. However, when Troy makes complete misrepresentations of the truth, like the 2% growth rate figure he says was on target, that needs to be called out. That is not spinning to put yourself in the best light, it is just lying.

I am just here to walk through the letter, make comments and point out what is really going on. You are also missing the entire point of this Bengals offer and the entire post once again. The whole point of this is the County is in a bad fiscal position and reached out to the Bengals to try to help by making some concessions on the lease if the Bengals are willing.

The Bengals should offer something that genuinely helps if they are willing or they should just do nothing. We are just trying to figure out if the Bengals offer actually helps the County or if it just allows them to exploit the County once again.

Sly, in Part II, it gets steamy.

ok ok Sleeping bienemy i haven't missed the entire "point" of your post. I'm jsut pointing out that 1. it is very very slanted, and 2. is again showing how this site went from good criticism of the Bengals to complaining to complain.

"What the hell is a "national expert" anyway? And good point Troy. Professional organizations can never have their expertise or competence seriously questioned. Just ask shareholders for Lehman Brothers and AIG."

So you nitpick his use of an expert and then in your next paragraph try using "quotes from experts" to prove your point?

"Also, the Colts exploiting a town with nothing going for it besides those same Colts over a decade after the Bengals exploited Cincy does not mean the deal was standard for the NFL. This is just more lawyerly misdirection."

How is this lawyerly misdirection?? He is using an example to prove his point last time i check that is how you prove a point, but i guess in your mind just saying it is a certain way makes it that way. Like when you try to insinuate the Bengals deal is unlike any other stadium deal but don't back it up with examples.

Why should anyone really care about what the Bengals wrote to the County?? Again to me it seems like again you are just trying to complain about something the Bengals have done just to have a reason to complain.

Just read this whole article to see how it differs:

http://bengals.enquirer.com/2000/08/19/ben_bengals_lease_pretty.html

Or read that entire book Public Dollars, Private Stadiums which is the definitive book written on the subject and uses Cincinnati as its flagship example.

Look, I don't even know what the Colts deal was. But I would be skeptical of using that as the benchmark deal for the Bengals because it was done over a decade after the major wave of NFL publicly funded stadiums was done.

Again, all the Bengals are saying with this is, "hey our lease is standard, the fiscal problem is the County's, not ours, and we don't need be here." I am just pointing out that the fiscal problem is the county's, the Bengals don't need to be here BUT the stadium deal was not standard.

Anyway, none of this matters, I am just going through it line by line and making comments. What matters is whether their current offer will help or hurt.

wch is an "I told you so guy". All of his posts are the same. This type of guy loves to lecture everybody else how smart he is, after the fact but has no solution or anything constructive to say, just how dumb the rest of us are. .............I'm just sayin

Yes but that article also talks about how St. Louis paid nearly a Billion for a team (and now is endanger of losing it) and list Baltimore, Nashville, and Tampa Bay as also having heavily funded stadiums.

I'm not saying the Bengals didn't get an overly benefical deal or defending it in any way shape or form. I'm just pointing out that Blackburn does have a valid arguement to say their deal was unprecidented at the time. Back in the 90's cities over the county were paying millions upon millions to fund stadiums. That is only now starting to change with Dallas and New York.

I understand your point that the Bengals didn't need to say anything but since the city put it out in the press they had to come back with something or they would look like the bad guys, hence the letter that is both beneficial to them and "seemingly" benefical to the county. (though i agree it probably isnt')

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