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Who Dey Revolution Manifesto

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    IN THIS TIME of perpetual Cincinnati Bengals incompetence and futility, with zero playoff wins in the nineteen seasons since the WhoDeyRevolution Godfather, Paul Brown, passed away in 1991 and handed the team to his fortunate son, the Despot, Mike Brown;

    Introduction

    WE, the members of the Who Dey Revolution, in our fervent dedication to the Cincinnati Bengals and fanatical desire to transform our hometown team into perpetual Super Bowl contenders, call for a popular revolution of fans to demand comprehensive reform to the managerial decisions and approach of Cincinnati Bengals ownership, management, staff and players, and hereby call for the adoption of the following Who Dey Revolution Manifesto:

    Manifesto Demands

    THAT the Mike Brown, Katie Blackburn, Marvin Lewis, along with every other member of the Bengals management, staff and personnel, state publicly to all Bengals fans, “I will do everything in my power to help the Cincinnati Bengals win a Super Bowl;”

    THAT Mike Brown will hire a general manager, drastically expand the scouting department and relinquish all control of player personnel;

    THAT all training, rehabilitation and medical facilities are considered best-in-class compared to other NFL teams;

    THAT the management fill the team only with players who fit the system, both mentally and physically, and are not reluctant to makes changes to player personnel when needed, regardless of cost or loyalty concerns;

    THAT offensive and defensive line depth is considered the top priority for all player personnel decisions;

    THAT all decisions made by ownership, management, staff and players, both on and off the field, are judged only by this criterion: “Does this help the Cincinnati Bengals win a Super Bowl?”

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Showtime don't you mean jiggles out to practice?

Unbelievable. Unthinkable. How stupid we really are to be surprised. If I were Andre or Keels, I'd tell them to take their offer and go do something sexual to themselves!

---it's not as if Andre is known as lazy and slightly unstable, I'm sure he's working hard down there in Alabama to make sure he's in camp shape! He'll be ready from snap one!---

Actually he's working out with Tony Jones former Probowl linemen with the denver bronco's...Not only that but Coaching staff is taking notes & as much info down from the meeting to have it sent to Andre since mike brown isn't willing to bring him in

How much you want to bet HBO is talking to Smith more often than the Bengals?

I think Mikey really is just dreaming about Imagination Movers at camp and waiting to see "what happens" with the Bengals on Hard Knocks.

I will also bet real money that Mikey will be watching Hard Knocks and saying "How can Mike Brown be so dumb and not talk about singing a new pick since Monday. What an idiot. Wait Imagination Movers is on? I LOVE DISNEY."

And the annual "How long will the Bengals first-rounder hold out this year?" sweepstakes is on officially on. I don't understand it, I really don't. I'm not an owner of a football team, but wouldn't common logic just tell you "well, hey--the #6 is in between the #5 and the #7. So..."? Why would they spend all of that money this offseason just to end up not spending it on arguably your most important acquisition (though I'd argue Maualuga, Michael Johnson, Lav Coles and Chase Coffman will contribute heavily)? The most telling statistic from Reedy's article-- "10 of the last 16 bengals first round draft picks have held out of training camp". Unbelievable.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d810d9ec2&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

And then there were seven...can the Bengals make Smith the last first rounder signed in 2009? I get the creeping feeling Crabtree will get a deal done before King Hippo.

Andre Smith is apparently only asking for $40 million, as well. Which would be equal to last year's #6. A 0% increase over the previous year's pick at that number is more than reasonable (even if the system itself is atrocious).

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/08/07/rookie-ot-smith-bengals-far-apart-in-contract-talks/

Andre Smith will sign for less than Heyward-Bey. Position players such as QB, RB, WR make more money. Plain and simple. I do agree with you though, that the Bengals have completely botched this thing. They show no sense of urgency in signing Smith to protect "their guy" (Palmer).

you all have already written the season off anyway. that's your thesis. no bengals season will ever be worth a damn until mb is gone. you dumped on smith before he was drafted and you dumped on him after. what does it matter if he's in. i would argue that the one thing mb can do for the league is refuse to give in to this ludicrous system of paying unproven college athletes. some of you have pointed out that the system is busted, but hey it's fair and we should just go with it because that's what every other team does. garbage. these clowns don't deserve to hold teams hostage with their holdouts or with their guaranteed money in the future. not that mb is leading a competent charge against the current model, but i don't fault him for not participating in it. show me the "unofficial/unwritten" breakdown of how these things are supposed to go:

1. you get payed less than the guy in front and more than the guy behind? (then why aren't the deals done exactly in order?)

2. your playing position dictates what kind of deal (what is the ranking of importance by position? i thought wdr's manifesto calls for line depth as the cornerstone to the team. shouldn't they get paid more then?)

3. you get a % increase from the guys in your spot the previous year? (why? every new hire in america gets a wage increase just because the calendar rolled over?)

there's not much that disgusts me more than rookie nfl draft salaries. i think they contribute enormously to holding teams down and in the long run limiting success. i am very much on board with wdr in that having more scouts and competency in the front office would help minimize the impact of draft landmines, but this salary system is outrageous and more power to the bengals for being tight/hard-asses.

btw's - i am no mb fan. i am a fan of smith.

Votasi - every complaint you have lodged about the rookie pay scale is valid.

None of it is relevant in the current situation. Why? Because Mike Brown cannot change the rookie pay system by himself, and with all the other contracts coming in that are following the status quo, it's clear he would have to in order to fight back. So I'm not sure what you want him to do here. Do you want him to somehow "put King Hippo in his place" by not paying him according to the commonly accepted system? How does that punish anyone other than the Bengals franchise? Why is it unreasonable for Smith to expect a deal similar to what history dictates, especially when that his confirmed by all his draft peers?

So I agree with you that the system needs to go. But that's not the point here, is it?

Along that note, Aaron Curry just signed.

http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story?id=09000d5d811c3fe1&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Andre Smith finds himself in the top 6 yet again.

The 'system' you've spoke of is something new to me. It might be considered a general way that thins 'can' happen, but there is nothing hard and fast about it. If you think that it is, I ask you to consider how a defensive end gets picked in the second round and makes oh, say about $15 mil and a QB gets picked in the fourth round and makes $20 mil.

What it comes down to is what particular position an organization needs or selects as to how the other picks in the round come down. You aren't going to pay Sebastian Janakowski money (way too overpaid but that is another issue) to a QB that is the next player behind Sebastian -- nop you are going to pay one heck of a lot more. Thus the idea that things march in 'lock-step' with money reducing for each succeeding pick, well that's just wrong. Even the idea that for a given position, the first player picked that plays that position gets a set amount of money, each succeeding player gets less and less is wrong.

The problem with the NFL's signing system is that they do not have a drop-dead date for players to sign with a stated position that: If you do not sign by such and such a date, you cannot play in that season for ANY amount above the average players salary for that position. Basically cut them out of some of their shenanigans that they pull (let's not get into the collective bargaining agreement -- that is a whole 'nother can of worms. The other aspect is that they wait so long to actually sign. Make them move earlier.

Obviously I was not using the word "system" in a sense that meant or even implied that the NFL had some sort of official and formal method of determining what sorts of contracts rookies receive. I was instead referring to the commonly-accepted and employed norms that teams and agents follow when drawing up contracts. Of course there are exceptions and of course nobody is saying anyone has to follow any of these conventions. But to claim, as you seem to be, that there is not even any sort of loose understanding among teams, players, and agents of how these signings should compare to one another is absurd. Also, putting things like "lock-step" in quotes to imply that I or anyone else said such a thing is pretty lame. Stop putting words in my mouth, stop playing semantics, and let's remember who the real villain is here.

If Mike Brown doesn't know that there is a general understanding in place when it comes to signing rookies, he's got no excuse not to. At least not with that GM bonus sitting in his bank.

I hope King Hippo holds out, and Collins proves to be a good Right Tackle. Then the Bengals can say sign for this or go back into the draft next year fat boy. Who will pick this fatty next year? The only reason he was picked this year is that he played agent switch so the Bengals took him. Michael Oher fell to the 20's so where would Smith have gone? I hope the Bengals stick to their guns this guy can't make 33 million doing anything else.

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