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    IN THIS TIME of perpetual Cincinnati Bengals incompetence and futility, with zero playoff wins in the nineteen seasons since the WhoDeyRevolution Godfather, Paul Brown, passed away in 1991 and handed the team to his fortunate son, the Despot, Mike Brown;

    Introduction

    WE, the members of the Who Dey Revolution, in our fervent dedication to the Cincinnati Bengals and fanatical desire to transform our hometown team into perpetual Super Bowl contenders, call for a popular revolution of fans to demand comprehensive reform to the managerial decisions and approach of Cincinnati Bengals ownership, management, staff and players, and hereby call for the adoption of the following Who Dey Revolution Manifesto:

    Manifesto Demands

    THAT the Mike Brown, Katie Blackburn, Marvin Lewis, along with every other member of the Bengals management, staff and personnel, state publicly to all Bengals fans, “I will do everything in my power to help the Cincinnati Bengals win a Super Bowl;”

    THAT Mike Brown will hire a general manager, drastically expand the scouting department and relinquish all control of player personnel;

    THAT all training, rehabilitation and medical facilities are considered best-in-class compared to other NFL teams;

    THAT the management fill the team only with players who fit the system, both mentally and physically, and are not reluctant to makes changes to player personnel when needed, regardless of cost or loyalty concerns;

    THAT offensive and defensive line depth is considered the top priority for all player personnel decisions;

    THAT all decisions made by ownership, management, staff and players, both on and off the field, are judged only by this criterion: “Does this help the Cincinnati Bengals win a Super Bowl?”

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I'm glad I got to see Marv get pissed, I now know what 85 drinks at the club and watching the "meeting" with mikey boy after the N.O. game must have been an attempt at comedy (it failed) and the last 2 minutes with katie telling alvin that if he thinks he's getting #7 money for the #6 pick that it "just isn't going to happen" made me throw the rest of my mike-n-ikes all over my living room floor.....god I hate the incompetence of the browns...all of them....I also can't wait to see the train wreck continue next week !!

I certainly didn't like Bratkowski declaring we're lacking "talent" when speaking in general about the offense (I assume he means the line).

Good stuff on Chris Henry. Didn't think his heart was in it when he said that he stopped hanging out with the people he used to (i.e., all his friends)...seemed like he still wishes he could roll with his old crew. If this was a real TV drama that would have been foreshadowing a disaster to come. Hopefully he keeps it together as he is a disgusting athlete.

1.) Episode 2 = better

2.) Tank Johnson's daughters = Cutest. Kids. Ever.

3.) Marvin pissed = good

4.) #85 = back to old form(?)

5.) Line of the episode = Ocho to Mikey: "McDonalds is on me."

6.) Footage of Project Mayhem banners = where?

Smith is a lost cause. There's no scenario I can see where he takes what the Browns are willing to offer. Effing pathetic, and I'm not talking about the Rook.

Katie telling Alvin that Andre won't get #6 money was disgusting. Whether Smith is worth 40mil or not he should be paid what he deserves for being taken at the 6th spot. I'd rather see Andre hold out all season and play for someone else then see he and Keels get worked over by Bengals.

We need to switch focus from MB to Katie.... Someone needs to cut her air supply off quickly......

The fortunate part of this whole abysmal situation is that the Bengals FO is single-handedly eroding all of the good faith that it had earned with many fans during the offseason. The faith was so strong that it turned into optimism that things may have finally turned a corner (not sure why some thought this). So much so, that many fans were actually upset and pissed about the WDR Banners flying over the camp.

Well, the FO has vindicated WDR and essentially done the work for WDR. People are renewing their frustration with the organization, and the season hasn't even really started yet.

BuzzKillingon - You're right, Smith is a lost cause this year, but you're wrong about who's pathetic. Smith did this to himself!!! I think everyone has conveniently forgotten how Smith gave the Bengals the agent bait-and-switch. The Bengals would not have drafted him at #6 if he hadn't ditched Keels initially, so he really does not deserve #6 money. Keels and Smith dug their own grave.

Personally, I think it would be fantastic if Smith re-enters the draft next year and the Bengals take him in the second or third round, which is completely possible given the history of how well players who sit out a year perform (see Clarrett, Maurice and Williams, Mike). No one is going to go near him, except The Redeemer of course.

Also, has it occurred to anyone that Smith, who is notoriously lazy, is intentionally skipping training camp because he doesn't want to work hard?

I'm usually on board with pretty much everything on this site (minus Cower's chin, but that goes without saying), but I don't understand the mindless "just pay him" comments. If Smith didn't switch back to Keels, I bet you he would have been in camp weeks ago.

Sorry dude, it's just common sense that the #6 pick in the 2009 draft should make more than the #6 pick in the 2008 draft and the #7 pick in the 2009 draft. It's stupefying how long we've had to work out a deal and we still haven't even made an offer that's in the range of what any agent or draft pick would consider acceptable. Yes, Smith pulled the bait-and-switch, but it was well known going into the draft that he was a character risk, which is why many teams passed on him. We assumed that risk when we drafted him, and now that it's happened, the only thing we can do now is try and get him signed. When Pumpkin was on the phone saying, "If you're still stuck on that Darius Heyward-Bey deal, then we're just not gonna be able to work anything out," I wanted to reach through the TV screen and smack her. Honestly, if that woman was in charge of a lemonade stand she'd run it straight into the ground. But yet she can help run the Bengals and be profitable. Unbelievable.

Offensive Liability - I hear you but Smith got drafted where he did. The slotting system is what it is and even if you take a guy earlier than he "deserves" (which is really not easy to determine in the first place) you still have to pay him.

Stunts like the agent switch were just part of the general risk that came with Smith and was the reason why he dropped from consensus best lineman to 3rd or even 4th.

Given our holes at tackle, the entire success of our franchise hinging on protecting Carson, and the slotting system the Bengals have little leverage with Smith. Despite this, as far as I can tell, it seems as if Keels is just asking for the market rate for his client at #6. It's on the Bengals at this point to get him into camp.

It's not common sense, it's thinking inside the box. If he wants Heyward-Bey money, then tell him to go run a 4.3 at the combine and get drafted by the Raiders. Face it - from a business standpoint, the Bengals have all the leverage here. If he doesn't sign, Smith and Keels' are ruined, period. Keels will never get another first-round pick (Smith is his first), and Smith will never get another shot at $30 million. I will be legitimately pissed if he gets more money than Heyward-Bey given that information. Also, "many" teams passed on Maualuga. Five teams passed on Smith, and leading up to the draft, it was thought that more teams were going to pass on him.

There have only been two times I agreed with MikeyBoy: not giving in to demands to trade Chad Johnson (two first round picks with the Bengals' incredible scouting department are likely overpaid busts), and this.

Ben it's not common sense when you have Smith sandwiched between a QB (who makes more than an OL, but that's just commone sense) and a WR who got over a 20% increase over last years #7 and was also drastically overpaid by an old crazy man out West. BTW 20% amounts to 6.6 million we are not talking about pennies here. I hate to admit it but Katie had a point at the end of the episode that people are somehow choosing to ignore on this site just so they can complain. Katie said that the Bengals are looking at the ENTIRE 1st round instead of just what #7 signed at. IE if 90% of the 1st round picks only signed a 10% increase over last year why should the bengals pay 20% just because of 1 contract out of 32. Would you if it was your money i doubt it. If you go to a restuarant tonight with 20 of your buddies and get bad service would you leave a 25% tip just because one out of your 20 friends did?? i think not.

Keels and Smith won't accept that, nor should they. The Bengals are moronically trying to stand up against an accepted system, and they don't have their best pick because of that.

Has anyone thought about Katie possible ruining Keel's business? Whatever he does is a black mark on his early record- either Smith doesn't sign or his signs for an ridiculous amount less than he deserves. I kind of feel for him, having to deal with Mike's FO to begin his career

^agreed^

Fatcorrector, your question of "if 90% of the 1st round picks only signed a 10% increase over last year why should the bengals pay 20% just because of 1 contract?" would make sense if they had offered him a 10% increase over last year... but their latest offer is still less than what Vernon Gholston, last year's #6 pick, signed for.

Look the slotting system sucks. Nevertheless it is the established system and our front office should not be allowed to circumnavigate it just because they don't want to pay that much money. If you own an NFL team you should be prepared to pay what the market demands for free agents and rookies, if not then sell the team to someone who does (Please!).

Oh so Ben you talked directly to Katie?? Is that how you found out what the Bengals "offer" was, because an agent like Keels would NEVER go out to the press and LIE about what was offered to his client in order to make the Team look bad, perish the thought?? An agent twisting the truth to get what they want, call Rosenhaus quickly (isn't he the morality officer for all those agents?"
Also Ben what does the "market demand" if it is so simple?? LOL #5 deal is 60 mil and #7 is $38. Should the Bengals pay Smith $49 million (which is about half the diff) and make him the highest paid OL in the league? Is it $40 million, how do we know if the Bengals offered him $40 they wouldn't ask for $42 and so on. lol Must be nice living in your "madden" world of how salaries work using play money.

8. Jacksonville - OT, Eugene Monroe, Virginia - Signed (5-years, $35.4M; $19.2M guaranteed)

I think that the most important signing of them all might be being overlooked. Bengals, you better be ready to pay MORE THAN $36 Million (see Eugene Monroe deal above. Where the hell does $28 Million even come from??? Cant blame Keels and Andre for trying to stick it out for more money than the #7, but the #8 might offer a better hippo to hippo comparison.

Keels is pretty sketch.... (try finding his companys website and all you can find is a video of a "celebrity pool party") but he is not making Crabtree like demands, he is just trying to get fair market value.

Look at the bright side though... if we dont sign Smith this year at least it only took one phone call to get Gus "Ever since I got these glasses" Parrish.


If you take Gholston's contract (last year's #6 pick) and add 15 percent, it comes out to roughly S37.5 Million. This is a raise over last year's #6 pick, and slightly higher than Monroe's $35.4 million at pick #8. All three are linemen, although one is a defensive lineman. I'm not necessarily siding with Smith, but if the Bengals are offering $28 million, as everyone says, where and how did they come up with that number? And where does Kitty Katie get off talking about the "overall first round money" if this is their offer?

Oh did I suggest averaging the #5 and #7 salaries to come up with our offer for Smith? You point out to me where I said that and I guess I'll have to defend it.

Anyway, you sure are happy to claim superior intelligence of NFL contracts over me but it appears you don't understand that there is more than one number when evaluating a contract. There's the guaranteed money, the base salary, and the maximum that the contract can grow to once all incentives have been reached. I can tell you don't quite understand this because in your absurd example, you averaged Sanchez's maximum contract ($60M, base is $50M) with DHB's base pay. Anyway Sanchez's contract isn't very helpful because QB's are always paid a premium due to the relative importance of their position, which is why I have chosen to ignore it in all of my arguments above. That and the fact that we shouldn't really worry about our ceiling for a potential deal until we've at least offered the floor...

As of 2 days ago the Bengals last offer to Smith was a 5-year deal with a base value of $28M and a max of $33M. I do not claim any insider information on this, you can read it yourself in the Cincinnati Enquirer, a reputable newspaper with no self-interest in the negotiations between Keels and the Browns and no reason to report anything other than the verifiable truth. Compare this to Gholston's (the previous #6 pick) 5-year contract worth a base of $32.5M and a max of $50M, and the Browns' latest offer is a complete insult.

And lastly, I didn't feel like calling you out on this specifically before, but did you really use this analogy? "If you go to a restuarant tonight with 20 of your buddies and get bad service would you leave a 25% tip just because one out of your 20 friends did?? i think not." Brilliant! Because deciding how much to give an old lady who accidentally gave you hash browns instead of pancakes with your Grand Slam at Denny's is exactly like negotiating a multi-million dollar contract with an NFL player.

Hey, MB and Katie,

If your not willing to pay Top 10 money then don't put together teams that annually suck and therefore "earn" Top 10 picks!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh I'm sorry Ben, the Enquier posted it so it must be true, my mistake, they don't even spell check their articles but I'm sure they never get an incorrect fact. You obviously are clueless and missed the point, who would have told the Enquier?? The bengals?? a disgruntled high management employee who
knew the offer?? Or an agent trying to force the Bengaks fans to react line you?? I'm betting on the agent and like I said he has no reason to lie does he. Second just because we choose to ingore the QB contract doesn't
mean Keels is.
I think I understand contracts better than you think and obviously my analogy just went over your head. See the point of an analogy is to make a diffcult concept easier to understand. Obviously you couldn't even understand the simple version

So we shouldn't believe the the enquirer number because some random guy on a message board is "betting" the number is a lie planted by his agent? At least the enquirer staff has some reasonable chance to get accurate information, unlike some people posting comments here.

I'm not saying anyone has to believe me, i'm just pointing out the obvious, how reliable is that "28" million dollar number. Read the enquire they saythey got that info from "inside sources". So my point was that more than likely that "inside source" was Keels and how much credibitly should that be given. He does have incentive to lie was my point.

The problem with a comments board is that you get idiots (like this guy writing as "Factcorrecter") posting dumb comments, totally distracting everyone else from the conversation at hand. It's really hard to ignore dumb postings and act like they arent there. Ben and everyone else should just ignore the guy...
Some information that I would like to know is the average percent increase from last year's slotted first round contracts to this year's first round contracts. Then I would like to know what % increase over last year's number 6 pick Heyward-Bey's contract number is. (the minimum that Keels could make a contract to salvage his job) Is the Heyward-Bey's contract even larger than what this year's sixth pick should be? And if so, by how much? I imagine this is the real number the bengals-keels should really be hung up on. (The bengals current offer sounds insulting)

On another note - I found a place to watch hardknocks online. I think someone else posted another site, but I'll give you the one I ran into:
http://www.sidereel.com/NFL_Hard_Knocks

First off I guess since I disagree with a post I'm automatically an idiot and a distraction. Lol and we say MB's bad. I hate MB I just disagree with the posts on thus subject. Anyway Heyward-bey got over a 20% increase over what Ellis got a six last year. Ellis got 50 mill and Heyward Bey's deal is worth 62. That is what people are missing here his deal isn't for 38 mill it is 38 mill salary and a 23 mill bonus. Andre could very well be asking fir 50 million. Google it if you think I'm such an "idiot"

anyone knows for sure I would love to know. He is from a litter that was born at camp in June and came to live with us this past weekend. NONE of us have any bunny experience so any helpful suggestions, comments are more than welcome.

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