Bengals Refuse to Partner with UC Over Use of Stadium; Rejects Funding for Proposed Indoor Practice Facility

Building off its run to the Orange Bowl last season and increased popularity, the University of Cincinnati Athletic Department has approached the Bengals about using Paul Brown Stadium for some of its 2009 home games.   UC proposed a financial arrangement similar to what other Big East rivals have worked out with their NFL counterparts, including the Buccaneers/South Florida and Steelers/University of Pittsburgh.

WhoDeyRevolution has learned from a high-level booster with knowledge of the negotiations that the Bengals would only let the Bearcats use PBS if they paid a rate that is over five times what the University of South Florida and University of Pittsburgh pay. 

WhoDeyRevolution has also heard directly from a UC booster who has offered to pay in full for an indoor practice facility located at PBS (to be used by UC and the Bengals) if the Bengals offer the University a competitive lease offer.  The Bengals have expressed that they have "zero interest" in paying for a practice facility at PBS or contributing to the one proposed at UC.  The Bengals have rejected this offer unless UC pays over five times the going rate for use of the stadium.

According to high-level officials in the UC Athletic Department, the Bengals have expressed that they may be interested in occasionally renting UC's indoor facility but would pay none of the construction or development costs.

The Bengals refusal to offer UC a reasonable price for using PBS is compounded by the team's generous lease agreement with Hamilton County over the use, revenues and expenses associated with Paul Brown Stadium.

The lease agreement between the Bengals and Hamilton County give the team effective control over the stadium's use by other organizations. 

Paul Brown Stadium was funded primarily by Hamilton County taxpayers.  After paying rent for 10 years, the Bengals will be able to play rent-free in the stadium starting this year until 2026.   Hamilton County must pay for any new technologies installed in 14 other NFL stadiums at PBS. While the Bengals pay for game-day operations (except in the last 9 years of the contract when the County pays for this too), stadium maintenance is covered by Hamilton County.  In the last 9 years of the contract, the county will "pay the Bengals "for any and all expenses of any nature whatsoever incurred by the Team relating to the Stadium Complex for the immediately preceding lease year."

The Bengals control net revenues from all ticket sales, club seats, suite rentals, game-day parking, adversiting and concessions. They received $102M in NFL Revenue Sharing in 2008 from the NFL TV deal. According to Forbes Magazine, the Bengals had a 2007 present value of $941M, 21st in the NFL, with revenue of $205M and an operating income of 22.0M.

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[Julius Norman]

I just threw up in my mouth a little!

[whymikeywhy]

Not to change the subject (this is an interesting article), but I was wondering if there would be a follow-up story on what happened with WDR at the draft: http://www.whodeyrevolution.com/whodeyrevolution/2009/04/join-wdr-at-the-nfl-draft-in-nyc.html . I never saw anything on TV or saw anything on here afterward about what you did. Just out of curiosity. Keep it up, anyways.

[Danno]

Wow. I can't believe the shear audacity to ask for such a high rate. I mean, is there anything the Brown family wants to do to actually put some good faith between them and the community? Considering the past, you'd think MB would find the value of good faith much more than a 5x lease rate. Then again, MB went to Law school and has no real training on economics, fair value, and strategic marketing.

I think UC needs to completely cut off the Bengals on their facilities. Especially if they build the indoor practice facility. Just to make a point to MB. One that he no doubt will never get, but at least UC keeps its dignity. They won't need to worry about revenues, because future bowl games will games will cover that.

[really Mikey?]

Really? If Mikey is so concerned about money why didnt he let someone name the stadium? He doesn't need to make 5x off UC. He could make a fair deal and make more money then they make not letting anyone use it. I really think Mikey uses a "Jump to Conclusions" mat for all of his exectuive decisions.

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[captainb8]

Hopefully this will remind people how horrible the Brown Family is, even after having a "good draft."

I'd love to see the practice facility on UC's campus with no access for Mike Brown's Bengals.

[votasi]

i often criticize this site for suspect football analysis and flat out ignorant fluff pieces like the chin shit, but this is the kind of reporting and expose that is important to this cause and i commend you for stating it so clearly. we need to double our efforts to kick this guy in the teeth when it comes to profit. even in the face of what i feel will be a positive year on the field, it will be even sweeter if we enjoy it without giving that clown a dime. this is our cause.

to that end, i too am wondering what happened at the draft. a word on that please. if it fell apart due to lack of participation, then we all need to know that, hash out how to regroup, and rally.

thanks again for the professional quality work.

[Marc]

of course Mike Turd doesn't want to give UC a fair deal to use PBS, he knows that UC is stealing fans and $ from his Bengals.....imagine Mikey's embarrasment if UC outdrew the Bengals! If the Bengals have another losing season similar to last year, and UC has another successful season similar to last year, I think you'd see a full Nippert for most of the games. Mikey Turd knows these two compete with each other, and he's going to do anything he can to protect his money!

[LeeRoy Jenkins]

The worst part of this story. I am not surprised at tall. In fact, I almost thought, "Only 5 times what other NFL teams charge similar schools?" We need to remember that the Brown family is in this for themselves only. Winning in incidental to being "competitive". Hell being competitive is only so they can make money. We must boycott. We must demand change. We must not let drafting Rey Maulaluga distract us from the ultimate goal.

[Wyatt]

I agree with votasi: this is the kind of articles this site needs if it's going to remain relevant and get the message out there. You guys are always thrilled (and with good reason) when a mainstream media site brings up WDR or its goals, but if they mention this site by name, and people come here looking for articles like this and instead get the racist chin, doesn't that delegitimize the movement in their eyes? With stuff like the chin and the Mike Brown Twitter, you're going to please/appease/entertain at least some of the hardcore followers, but in order to grow the movement, I think you need to focus primarily on this kind of reporting. Put that other stuff in a separate section, off the main page where it's going to drive off potential revolutionaries. If you want to do a piece on how the draft was ostensibly nothing but good luck, then by all means - but don't detract from those of us who actually want the Bengals to do well and make us feel like we're not welcome. I come to this site because I love the Bengals, it's something my grandfather and I used to do each and every Sunday. He's been dead for 11 years now, and in that time, I've had multiple opportunities to "go with the flow" and become a Pittsburgh fan, but I look at the display case on my wall with the Bengals hat my granddad left to me when he died, and I know I'll never be able to sell myself out like that. But even more than my love for the Bengals is my realization that this movement is right - we need to do whatever we can to bring about change, to put in place the tools to create a consistently successful franchise and ideally (if not realistically) bring about some change in how the Bengals are run. The next task in Project Mayhem should be to get this story to as many major media outlets as possible - to give Mike Brown a huge black eye/public relations nightmare. Mikey Boy doesn't care what's said on this blog or on those billboards, and he doesn't care how much of a laughing stock his father's team looks like, but I'm willing to bet that he doesn't want the general public of the United States to see just what a money-grubbing cheapskate he really is. I'm sure, in his mind, he sees himself as a continuation of his father's legacy, and if it gets out that he's almost diametrically opposed to what Paul Brown, one of the most dignified men in NFL history, stood for, then it may serve as the wake-up call he truly truly needs.

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To those wondering about the draft, we had to "outsource" the project, if you will, as no writers for the site could actually participate due to conflicting events that weekend.

Those who volunteered did a fantastic job with a tough situation (basically, it is really hard to guarantee getting a block of seats together in a place near any sort of camera coverage) and wrote a recap which will be published shortly.

They were interviewed at some point by espn and a local sports blog but we have not as of this time been able to find that coverage anywhere on the web.

[counting_saturn]

I am literally appalled right now. Mike Brown is ripping of Hamilton County and its taxpayers.

Also, dont get rid of the Chin. Its hilarious.

I encourage everyone to share this article. Spread the word.

[Scott Ricketts]

I want to vomit. I am aghast that this piece of shit is allowed to own a team in the NFL.

[Brosef Stalin]

Listen to Lance's show today on 1530 from 3-6pm to hear his comments on this story.

Here is what Lance has confirmed - http://www.1530homer.com/pages/lancesBlog.html

Things I'm told
I talked with a major UC booster today concerning the Who Dey Revolution report linked below:
"I can't tell you if the asking price for UC to play a game at PBS is five times the rate that other Big East Schools are paying at NFL stadiums. I can tell you that from 2002 when UC hosted Ohio State at PBS to now, it's a significantly different contract presentation from the Bengals.....much more aggressive on the Bengals part"

[BMN]

Mikey is merely demonstrating his jealousy:

Bearcats wins 1991-present: 106
Bengals record 1991-present: 101

Of course, as I have flogged to death before, this becomes egregious when you consider that the Bengals played 77 more games in that timespan. 77 MORE GAMES!

If you want to spend hard-earned money to watch a football team bearing your city's name trying to win a ballgame, logic dictates that the Bearcats is the way to go. What's that you say? They play less games than the Bengals? No matter, they'll still win more!

(And I didn't even compare the Bengals to Ohio State...imagine how THAT would turn out!)

[GINSID]

Has anybody looked into trying to void the contract between Hamilton County and the Bengals by vote of the citizens of Hamilton County. In these economic times it should be very easy to get enough signatures to get a issue on the ballot to vote on voiding the contract.

When you consider that had UC not allowed the Bengals to use their stadium during the the first couple of years of the Bengal franchise they never would have existed in Cincinnati. The sad thing to me is it sounds like this story is probably true

[bobestes]

The only real way to void the contract between the county (us) and Bengals (them), would be for the county to declare bankruptcy and have the contract voided/reworked in bankruptcy court.

[Rich]

This whole this has moved from the pathetic phase into the sad phase.

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i'm right on board with votasi. i have been reading this site since the early last season but this is the first post that has inspired me to comment. the revolution will only be televised when you raise the discourse. That's not to say lose the irreverence...you guys are hilarious in spurts (the urinal cake idea was top notch), but send the racist chin back to junior high.

one idea that might be interesting with some research....take a good look at what specifically the brown family gives back to the community financially. count "the bengals" separate from the marvin lewis community fund. we know marvin has his issues with game management at times, but we also know that in the last five years the MLCF has given out close to thirty $20,000 colle scholarships to cincinnati youth. you're talking over half a million dollars from the coach's charity. marvin's foundation build that whole process from scratch. the scholarships are just one of many programs the MLCF mentions on its webpage. i'd love to know how much mikey (or the brown family) kicks in each year....why do i get the feeling that whatever the actual dollar figure is that it's probably about 10% of what it should be when you consider how much mikey makes off the taxpayers each year? didn't we just learn that all the members of the brown family are making $700k+ each year?

if you look at bengals.com under the community section you see a blurb about a $400k grant to Wilmington for football field renovation, but the article states that like 6 different donors combined to fund that grant. so the bengals kicked in what, $100k max (I would bet more like $25k or $50k)? seems like it wouldn't take that much digging to come up with a nice article listing how much they've donated to the community vs. how much they've collected since the salary records were released.

in closing....can anyone imagine a press conference called by mike brown where he says something like: "We are very proud of the work that the MLCF had done in the community. Marvin Lewis has built one of the best philanthropies of any coach in the NFL and we thank him for his focus on giving back to the community. It is with great pleasure that I announce that I am personally donating $200,000 to his scholarship fund to send ten more worthy young Cincinnatians to college. This is the first of what will be an annual gift to the youth of our city as a small token of gratitude for the generosity of all the citizens of Cincinnati who have given their financial and emotional support to our beloved Bengals. Last year was disappointing. This year will not be. Who Dey."

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Yet again proof that I was right to dump my account of over 20 years.
I had been Bengalized but eventually saw the light of sanity.

[Nate]

I have independently confirmed that this story is not accurate, at least not currently. I am not sure if there has ever been a time in history that the Bengals have asked for significantly more than what other teams are paying to play in professional stadiums, but at the present this is not the case.

I'm sure the agenda of this site will preclude this information from being made public, but in case there is even a shred of dignity amongst the members/owners of this website I suppose this comment will remain in place.

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