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    IN THIS TIME of perpetual Cincinnati Bengals incompetence and futility, with zero playoff wins in the nineteen seasons since the WhoDeyRevolution Godfather, Paul Brown, passed away in 1991 and handed the team to his fortunate son, the Despot, Mike Brown;


    WE, the members of the Who Dey Revolution, in our fervent dedication to the Cincinnati Bengals and fanatical desire to transform our hometown team into perpetual Super Bowl contenders, call for a popular revolution of fans to demand comprehensive reform to the managerial decisions and approach of Cincinnati Bengals ownership, management, staff and players, and hereby call for the adoption of the following Who Dey Revolution Manifesto:

    Manifesto Demands

    THAT the Mike Brown, Katie Blackburn, Marvin Lewis, along with every other member of the Bengals management, staff and personnel, state publicly to all Bengals fans, “I will do everything in my power to help the Cincinnati Bengals win a Super Bowl;”

    THAT Mike Brown will hire a general manager, drastically expand the scouting department and relinquish all control of player personnel;

    THAT all training, rehabilitation and medical facilities are considered best-in-class compared to other NFL teams;

    THAT the management fill the team only with players who fit the system, both mentally and physically, and are not reluctant to makes changes to player personnel when needed, regardless of cost or loyalty concerns;

    THAT offensive and defensive line depth is considered the top priority for all player personnel decisions;

    THAT all decisions made by ownership, management, staff and players, both on and off the field, are judged only by this criterion: “Does this help the Cincinnati Bengals win a Super Bowl?”

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Come on WDR, I know it's draft season and the pickings are slim, but really? There's no way the Bengals should have re-signed Justin Smith for anything close to what he got from SF. Madieu had flashes of greatness, but has had injury problems and hasn't been a consistent top-tier player worthy of the contract he got from Minn. Bryan Robinson and Alex S. were backups here and really nothing to write home about. Landon Johnson was given starter money and then moved to a backup role in Carolina. So while I laugh at the Bengals for trying to spin this as great breaking news, I don't have a problem with any of those players not being re-signed. Williams is probably the best, but I don't think we miss much with the guys that replaced him.

Bottom line to me is that yes, the Bengals will probably screw up these picks, but you can't fault them for letting those guys get overpaid by other teams.

Umm, yeah,
It seems to me that having a lot of these picks when you are a crappy team is bad. It means that you won't sign players that are good enough to play on another NFL team. And is always well said on this website, great Bengals draft picks are one of two things: Freak accidents (TJ) or glaringly obvious (Palmer). Everyone else (yeah, I mean you David Klingler, Akili Smith, Ki Jana Cater and Kenny Irons) gets attributed to being "bad luck."

WDR, please do an analysis on the Bengals draft failure rate some day. Like maybe a ratio of the number of Bengals drafted in the past 5 years currently playing for the team over number of those drafted overall and then compare it to a good team.

Yeah, I know bad luck........

I feel that, if you're going to talk about how the bengals settle for compensatory picks, you have to mention the fact that the bengals are perfectely at ease with the 3rd they get for losing TJ. If they used the franchise tag on him, they could have VERY easily traded him for a 2nd and with a little work, gotten a 1st (a la the Patriots and Matt Cassel. They gave him away and TJ is worth much more).

But a 3rd round pick is cheaper than a 2nd or 1st and, since we take players like Jerome Simpson with the 2nd round before anybody else has even thought about him, I guess a 3rd is as good as a 2nd to us (and much better to Mike Brown's piggy bank).

Read the comments on PFT by bloggers. Even they thought Florio had a weak argument on this one. The bottom line is that they have been shedding dead weight the last two seasons, agree with it or not. Justin Smith's (#4 overall pick in 2001) best season was 8.5 sacks. Good guy but not worth $45 mil. Madieu was a decent player but in his 4 seasons here he probably played in 2.5 of them. Landon Johnson would have been a good player to keep, but the Panthers paid him to start and he didn't even do that in Carolina. Bryan Robinson--Are you kidding? Do I even need to go there? The guy was like 68 years old (though he contributed a little with AZ this year). Stepanovich hurt only because we had a sucky guy in front of him, but he's still not any better than Ghiacuic. Rudi and Deltha were other guys that became dead weight. Rudi got lazy and underperformed as well as ALWAYS showing up late to team meetings, etc. Deltha was not a team guy, wasn't the same guy that made the Pro Bowl in 2005 and was getting up there in age. The only guys that I would have liked to have seen stay were Willie and to a lesser extent, T.J. Willie should have retired a Bengal. Chad and Levi (two guys who have openly said that they want out) are next to go. Marvin needs to re-instill the attitude he had with Corey Dillon and Takeo Spikes--"You don't want to be here, don't let the door hit you on the way out." They can't trade compensatory picks, but they can trade others and hopefully maneuver back into the first and/or second rounds.

I was not trying to argue that each player not re-signed was a good move, but more about how the Bengals brag about who they drafted with compensatory picks without discussing who they gave up. Even worse, we now have 11 draft picks and 3 scouts. If they are going to rely on the draft, they need to prepare for the draft. Florio is dead on, that the reason why the Bengals have these picks is not because of shrewd player personnel analysis, it was being cheap. If the Bengals really cared about these picks, they would have a real scouting department.

Comrades, we can not get lost in the trees. Trying to rationalize/justify individual Bengal moves will make your head spin. That is what Mike Brown wants you to do. Look Look we drafted Carson Palmer. Ndukwe was a serviceable NFL player, in the 7th round....look how smart we are. Don't get lost. Remember the big picture.

I would have given up Justin "one move and you better believe its the bullrush" Smith for a bucket of KFC extra crispy.

The point (at least, as I see it) is that exchanging veterans for draft picks does not immediately improve the team. Mikey is content to replace players, not upgrade positions. Sure, some of the late picks may pan out, in a few years. But by then Mikey will have let a vet at another position go without signing a FA to immediately upgrade, and we're right back at the beginning.

A 3rd rounder, a 6th rounder, and 2 ea. 7th rounders. Be still my heart. Well, they're going to need a new long snapper who looks good in a clown suit for MikeyBoy's great grandchildren's birthday parties. And I hear Akili Smith has been practicing his footwork while holding a clipboard next to the head, what do we do with our two extra 7th rounders?

I agree the Bengals need to invest in more scouts and do a better job in the draft, never said anything to the contrary. But to try and say that letting the guys go was a mistake, I don't buy. The TJ example is much better, so if you want to rip that one, have at it, I'm not going to disagree there. Or that they should have kept Willie and/or Deltha last year (Rudi has been "done" for a while, don't miss him, as proved by his showing in Detroit), fine. No doubt Mike Turd is cheap.

So, yes, the Bengals do VERY LITTLE right, but in terms of personnel moves, letting those guys walk was the RIGHT thing to do. You can't just say they should have re-signed them because they were veterans and we had nobody better to replace them. You can't keep every veteran on the team, and the ones that don't warrant their high veteran salaries, need to go. Maybe they weren't immediately better when they lost those veterans, but they sure as heck did a better job overall on defense last year without Smith, Williams, Robinson, and Johnson. Their defense was one of the ONLY bright spots last year, even though it wasn't very bright.

I agree with many posts, that the Bengals did not lose much with these four players, but look at what has happened over the years. The Bengals let Steinbech (a second round pick) walk to save money. Spikes (a first round pick) wanted out, but we only got third round picks for them. MB saved money. Bottom line. And you cannot replace veterans with draft picks if you want to improve. When you do not sign QUALITY free agents, you do not improve. You keep training new rookies, who can then move on to another team when they are ready to make an impact in the league.

So Brad St. Louis fucked up one time... god damn give the guy a break, he has been one of the best long snappers in the league otherwise.

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